Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 April 1

= April 1 =

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sustainable Aviation Fuel
To whom it may concern, Im new to wiki and am in need of specific advice as to what citation requirements my article is deficient in? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sustainable Aviation Fuel. Thanks for your assistance. MKR125188 (talk) 11:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * MKR125188,
 * Your article has some formatting problems in order to be consistent with the Wikipedia, but that is not a good reason to decline your article. Other than that, it seems to be a well done article.  I will spend some time on it today taking care of the formatting issues and get it on line for you later today.  You may not be happy with the way I may change something, but you will see how it should look, and then you can continue editing your article as you like.  Thanks for a good job.    :- ) DCS  17:39, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Leon "Leonidas" Gardikiotis
I have been trying to publish a Wikipedia page but there have been problems. All of the information supplied by author is true however there is a suggestion of a lack of references and inline citations by the page editor. eg. the television program FIFA Football Mundial which is broadcasted in over 80 countries around the world has aired segments about particular person. Is that not enough proof? (see page below) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Leon_%22Leonidas%22_Gardikiotis In references to photos which have been deemed as breach of copyright violation are not accessible via the internet as they originated as either television programs, newspaper articles and also personal photos which are not available on web pages to request permission to include in the article. How is it possible to overcome this issue? Finally, when I created the page it failed to publish and I requested to delete it, however another person has edited the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Gardikiotis and has discussed minor parts of the persons history instead of emphasizing major information as first published by original author. In conclusion I wish to delete that article and keep this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Leon_%22Leonidas%22_Gardikiotis

Thank You

Leongfootball (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * You have created this page live in Wikipedia already, because other editors have made substantial contributions to Leon Gardikiotis it cannot be deleted simply because you want it to be. If you wish to make changes, make them to Leon Gardikiotis. Pol430 talk to me 21:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Modulate
See also: Previous HelpDesk discussion

Hi. I did a bunch of revisions and yet once again this page is rejected for the third time. Why? I have pointed out 10 pages within this genre of music that lack references or citations that are active pages in wikipedia that according to the "guidelines" should not even be on here. Again, my argument is based on the fact the sources I have used are similar to those that have been used by the bands on the other pages. In some cases there aren't even references or notes for them. I'm just frustrated because I have followed the guidelines to the best of my knowledge and as I've stated before the pages I've used as an example here are similar as far as information goes. Since the other pages that I have pointed out do not match Wikipedia's criteria, they should be deleted. I am trying my best here, to update and improve all pages belonging to a certain genre of music yet I am finding myself at a loss as to what is supposedly acceptable. Not only is the frustrating, but it is also discouraging and quite frankly annoying.

The person who rejected this article left this comment: (Declining submission: subject appears to be a non-notable musical performer or work). Why then was I told last month by two people that the artist in question is notable in the link below? This contradicting the statements below. As I had advised in my previous inquiry, all the information is verifiable with the sources for this type of music as many of the references on all these are the same as in the one I created. In fairness if the page I created is being rejected for lack of information it would be only be fair for these pages to be deleted due to lack of information on theirs.

Again, my argument is based on the fact the sources I have used are similar to those that have been used by the bands on the other pages. In some cases there aren't even references or notes for them. I'm just frustrated because I have followed the guidelines to the best of my knowledge and as I've stated before the pages I've used as an example here are similar as far as information goes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2012_March_22#Review_of_Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation.2FModulate

This is a notable artist. This page should not have been rejected again due to the fact that that countless hours have been spent researching to improve to what is supposedly "acceptable" to these "guidelines" and made changes to only have this rejected again. How many more pages do I have to point out as far as this genre of music goes that lacks the references and citations that are supposed to be acceptable only to look at and that they lack a majority of the information that my page actually has? I have asked for help, yet failed to receive any. I am doing my best here but from my point view and honest opinion, the basis of rejection is based on one's personal opinion, not what is stated in the the guidelines because as I have stated two people have said the band is notable and one doesn't.

I have asked before, any help, notably any help by getting to the point of what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Sydirasky (talk) 13:58, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Firstly, your arguments that 'other similarly referenced articles exist live in Wikipedia' does not make this submission notable or policy compliant. This was already explained to you here by . Persistently making the same invalid argument does not make it valid; this notwithstanding, you are free to nominate any unsuitable articles you find in Wikipedia for deletion, by following the guidance at articles for deletion. Secondly, the article is basically an advertisement. It is full of promotional language, peacock terms and marketing rhetoric, this also makes the submission unsuitable. You'll need to do fairly comprehensive rewrite to make the prose comply with WP:NPOV. Thirdly, the notability of the article is questionable. I can't tell if the band meets the criteria listed at WP:MUSICBIO because the prose is so full of obscure terminology. Please read the criteria at WP:MUSICBIO and, if the band meets any of those points, rewrite the submission to make this clear. Discounting the inability to compare the submission against MUSICBIO criteria, there are not sufficient references present, to clearly show that the band meets the third-party coverage requirements of the general notability guideline. Because of these two factors, the notability of the band is not evident. Finally, the 'Remixes for Artists' and 'Compilations' sections are almost entirely unreferenced and therefore those two sections fail the verifiability policy. You either need to remove those sections (apart from the one entry that is referenced) or find reliable sources to support them. Pol430 talk to me 22:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

It says in the guidelines quite clearly that if an artist is notable in their own city/scene or subgenre they are considered notable. Well, they are an act signed globally to several notable labels. Have had chart success in several notable charts, have toured extensively internationally, play international festivals to large audiences on a regular basis, have received a large volume of international press coverage and are certainly notable in the subgenre they in habit. In short, everything that is supposedly required for notability so yes it does meet the guidelines. How does one get a page created and approved if they are an indie artist or from a smaller subgenre whose fanbase is smaller in comparison to world renowned artist?

The article in question is neither an advertisement nor third party as you have stated. I have and had spent months gathering the required information to create this page. Given the fact that 2 other users have stated that this is a notable artist I do not understand the problem. The terminology used is no different than any other artist I have looked to get ideas on how to write the page! The remixes and compilations I can easily get all the links for, and I will be sure to include the links where you can purchase every single remix and compilation.

Can also please explain or define "obscure terminology"? I'm unsure as to what "obscure terminology" is.

Thank you

Sydirasky (talk) 22:57, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure, obscure terminology: "After scoring dancefloor success with his own material"; "deliver a rapturously received co-headline set"; "Modulate continued in the studio in 2011"; " hook laden electro dance music with a raw alternative edge". etc. You said "It says in the guidelines quite clearly that if an artist is notable in their own city/scene or subgenre they are considered notable." No it doesn't... Please don't misrepresent our policies. I'll try and make this easier for you... Have they ever: A) had a single or album on any country's national music chart? B) released two or more albums on a major label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are notable)?


 * You said: "[they] have received a large volume of international press coverage" where is it? Please provide links to this coverage. A subject is only notable if it meets the notability guidelines, not because you personally think they are. Pol430 talk to me 23:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification on the wording. As I previously stated I was only following examples on other pages by artists within this genre. As far record labels goes, there are signed to a Metropolis records which has 334 artists. They are also on Infacted and Gravitator which are labels in Europe which again boasts a large amount of artists. The links for these labels can be found on the page that I am working on. They also made the DAC (Deutsche Alternative Charts)as well as the Greece Alternative charts.

All the press coverage I have linked as well. Anything that was in newsprint may no longer be available or no longer on the internet. I am trying my best here to better understand the guidelines and get the help needed to better improve the page I have created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydirasky (talk • contribs) 01:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Sydirasky (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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