Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 August 3

= August 3 =

Article photos not showing up
When I created the articles "Karen Wheeler" I originally had 3 uploaded photos attached to it that appeared in the submissions, but on the final published article they are not there. Can someone please tell me how to get the photos to appear again? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristina Mull (talk • contribs) 00:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Those photos were deleted from the Wikimedia Commons because they had no licensing information; here's the deletion log for one of them. If those photos are not available under a free license, in particular the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license, they are unsuitable for the Wikimedia Commons. If the images do have a free license or you have received permission to upload it to the Commons, you must provide some evidence to that effect. This Commons page explains the details of how to provide such evidence. Huon (talk) 00:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Blis Nemesis
How do I add my pic to my page with info box around it? i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminem — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blisnemesis (talk • contribs) 03:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The infobox is infobox musical artist; please have a look at its documentation or at Help:Infobox for general help on infoboxes.
 * If your image comes with a free license, you can upload it to the Wikimedia Commons via their UploadWizard. Since an image of a living musical artist is almost guaranteed to be copyrighted, please make sure to add the relevant licensing information. Since we expect free images of living persons to be available, a non-free image will probably not be acceptable.
 * Once you have uploaded the image, you can add it to the infobox by adding the lines:
 * image = NameOfYourImage.jpg
 * caption = Caption for your image
 * However, the draft's most pressing need is not an image or an infobox but reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Your current sources are either primary sources such as Blis Nemesis' Twitter account or unreliable sources like blogs and YouTube videos. Without significant coverage in better sources, Blis Nemesis appears non-notable; see also WP:MUSIC for musician-related notability criteria.
 * If you are Blis Nemesis (as your username and the phrase "my pic" suggest), you might also want to have a look at our guideline on conflicts of interest. Writing an autobiography is strongly discouraged. Huon (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Application Craft
Trying to determine which things I need references for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Application Craft

L. Bell 05:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ApplicationCraft (talk • contribs)


 * Basically, everythig that's likely to be doubtful, for example the entire history section. If I haven't heard of the company, I should be able to verify the article's content from the provided references. Please note that these references should be reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Without significant coverage in such sources the company and its product (and the article should decide whether its topic is one or the other) appear non-notable, but your current external links are all to primary sources such as the company's homepage or unreliable sources such as YouTube videos.
 * You might also want to check where the links you added point to. Somehow I doubt one of the competitors is a Japanese green tea.
 * Finally, you might want to have a look at our guideline on conflicts of interest. Writing about your own company is discouraged. Furthermore, your username is unambiguously the name of the company, a violation of our username policy. Since you haven't made many edits yet, it might be easiest to abandon this account and create a new one with an acceptable username. Huon (talk) 11:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Wayman
My article is still waiting for review (first time it took 3 days - it's been up a while now). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poacher64 (talk • contribs) 10:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's in the queue, and there is currently a backlog. Everyone who reviews articles does so in their own spare time as and when they want, so chill. (Have a look at a kitten). Having said that, the good news for your article is that it's usually easier to decline an article for being unsuitable, so if your article is sitting around unreviewed for a few days, it probably means it looks okay and somebody has to check the references, and work out the relevant categories and projects (if any) to assign the article once it's been created. In fact, that's exactly what state your article appears to be in right now. --Ritchie333 (talk) 10:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Request New Article
I am trying to request that a page be made.

Went through all the prompts without creating an account.

Was directed to the category and subdivision to the area of my interest.

I was only shown an alphabetical list of, maybe pages that are already requested and in progress????

How can I REQUEST (a direct link maybe?) that a PAGE be MADE and not a list....because the page I want is NOT listed?.

For example, If I wanted to request a page be made about John Doe, JR an actress, why am I being directed to: Select category: Film -> people -> ABCD....-> I select "D" -> There is no Doe, John, Jr. But no LINK to ask for the page about John Doe, Jr to be made?

How can I do that? More simple and direct directions please! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.220.194 (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe the list you mention is at WP:Requested articles or one of its subpages, such as Requested articles/Biography/By profession. You can edit that list (by using the "edit" tab at the top of the page or by using the "edit" link at the right of the relevant section heading) and add your request by adding a line like:
 * * John Doe, Jr. (req. 2012-08-03) - American actress, played in The Important Film,
 * Please add a reliable source on which the article can be based, such as the (fictional) New York Times article in my example above. If you want to write a draft yourself instead of waiting for someone else to act upon your request, you can use the Article Wizard instead. Huon (talk) 12:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IGOR KNIZEK, the writer
I provided the sources but still blocked — Preceding unsigned comment added by RianW (talk • contribs) 12:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Those sources combined don't devote a single sentence to Knizek. But we need significant coverage in reliable sources, such as newspaper articles or independent reviews of Knizek's works, to establish his notability. Furthermore, the article content should be based on the sources. I can't read Croatian, but I don't think any of your references said something about the International Library of Berlin, about Knizek's Slovenian publisher, about the 73 Croatian cities where his books can be found, or even about his birthdate. Huon (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Looking for the definition of "Marketplace Interaction"
Looking for the definition of "Marketplace Interaction"

One can asume it means something simular to communicating between two People, Organizations, groups etc...

But would like a better definition

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.83.206.161 (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what the Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. Huon (talk) 13:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Virtual Piggy
Hi all,

Looking to get some more advise on what changes need to be made to get this entry approved.

Is the issue lack of enough independent sources, or that the entry reads too much like an advertisement? Even though Virtual Piggy is a company, it is notable as being the first and only current technology that allows kids to make purchases online - so that's why I went into more detail in terms of how it works. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RevToby (talk • contribs) 16:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * There is definitely a lack of reliable independent sources. All the independent sources you currently cite are blogs or opinion pieces, which aren't as reliable as articles under a newspaper's full editorial control. Furthermore, the article at times goes off-topic into remarks that aren't supported by even those sources, such as the remark about the "highly publicized lawsuits regarding social game purchases" - and we wouldn't just need a source for those lawsuits, but one mentioning them in connection to Virtual Piggy in order to avoid original synthesis.
 * I'd also say the finer details of the business model aren't as relevant as basic facts about the company, such as revenue figures, the number of employees or the place of business. Huon (talk) 16:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

advice please - why was my article rejected?
Can you give me advice as to why my article has been declined, and what I can do to make it acceptable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Brad_Burton Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/siobhanstirling

I followed the guidelines really closely and can't see why it has been rejected. There is no comment/pointer, other than a reference to refer to 'what Wiki is not'. I did refer to this very closely when I was compiling it. The only possible reason for rejection that I can see is that that it has been interpreted as promotion. My counter to that is that the subject, Brad Burton: Obviously the Inst of Directors has been around longer than Burton, but surely the aims of Wiki is to be relevant to today, not just history? If a movement is gaining momentum - and its leader is gaining an increasing profile - doesn't that move it into the domain of public interest and interest to the public, ie notable?
 * has featured three times in national newspapers in the last three months
 * has four accredited appearances on the BBC as an expert in entrepreneurship/business networking
 * has the two highest-reviewed business books on Amazon (both with an astonishing number of reviews - showing high public recognition, resonance and engagement)
 * represents more than 50,000 small business owners in the UK (The Inst of Directors has only 37,000 and has a Wiki entry).

If it isn't a sense that the article is promotional, what am I doing wrong?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Siobhanstirling (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of your sources are primary sources: Burton's books, Burton's TV appearances, Burton's interviews. What we need are sources independent of him, others writing about Burton. In fact, while I didn't check all of the references, none of those I checked were reliable secondary sources, with the possible exception of a Times article hidden behind a paywall. But Wikipedia content should not be based on primary sources.
 * Another issue: The sources about his early life, and some of those about his career, don't mention Burton at all. A web page which doesn't mention Burton obviously cannot serve as a source for facts about Burton. (Most of those would be primary sources anyway.) Huon (talk) 18:43, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of User:Afrasclient/sandbox
There is a need for directories of univerities;their websites and e-mails of staff because there is a need for inside information about colleges and universities. So why not fill it? I'll list a few such addresses of one university to start out. Readers can contribute more about more institutions of higher learning till much info is ammased about each university,how to contact its' departments and staff,ect. So why don't I do it all myself? Like Dr Johnson told a lady who inquired why he misidentified a part of a horse in his famous dictionary "Ignorance,Madame! Sheer ignorance!" I'm just dumping a pebble in this stone soup cauldron of knowledge to get it boiling. For good or ill this is to be a creation of the collective unconcious,the groupmind not my individual mediocricty-eh purported "personal genius". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrasclient (talk • contribs) 20:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * See WP:NOT, especially WP:NOTDIRECTORY: Wikipedia is not a directory. Huon (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello; Question about photo permission on the following page: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Joey Avino
Hello, Help Desk.

Hope this note finds you well and getting ready for a good weekend.

I've submitted a draft of a BLP about Mr. Joey Avino and it's been reviewed several times this week...hopefully edging closer and closer to being accepted.

This is the link to the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Joey_Avino.

One of the reviewers--January--left a note about sending proper permissions to use the photo I posted on the BLP. Specifically, I was asked to "please send permission for File:Joey Avino 2011 SPYONvegas "The Best Man" Awards.jpg to OTRS."

Below is the email traffic about my securing permission from the publisher of SpyOnVegas.com: first, my asking for permission; second; getting permission and proper attribution; last, that SpyOnVegas.com's copyright designation for the photo is that it's "in the public domain." This is the photo I'm most interested in using and I want to be sure I'm going about it the right way to get even more permission than I already have for it

Do you have any feedback or suggestions for how I can better prove to Wikipedia that SpyOnVegas.com has in fact allowed me to use it? I understand I must wait for the profile to overall be accepted. Any suggestions you can offer would be so appreciated.

Thanks in advance for your kind patience and guidance. This is my first attempt to have something published on Wikipedia and I look forward to getting the procedure proverbially down pat so that I may write more. Your help is a great step in teaching me how to do this the right way.

Sincerely, Jenniferelise (talk)



From: Jen Chase (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) Date: Sunday, July 29, 2012 21:27 To: Wyatt Poole (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) Subject: Hello; Use of photo from your site for a Wikipedia page

Hi, SypOn Vegas.

Hope this note finds you all having had a wildly informative weekend. ; )

My name is Jen Chase and I'm a freelance lifestyle writer in Las Vegas. I'm creating a Wikipedia page about someone featured and photographed on your website -- Joey Avino, 2011 "Best Of" winner in the category "The Capitalist." I'd like to use the attached photo, which is a cropped version of the original photo (both attached below) and I need to be able to answer for Wikipedia the kind of copyright that's connected with the photo.

Could you let me know if this photo can be reproduced freely, or if Id need particular permissions?

I'd need the following info. Happy to call, or to hear back from you via email:

1) Who is the owner/author 2) Date the photo was taken 3) How I received permission to use the photo (by email from your company; phone call; etc.) 4) License of the photo (Creative Commons Attribution; GNU Free Documentation LIcense; Public Domain 5) Evidence of the license (whether it's found online, or whether it's forwarded to me or to Wikipedia's "permissions police" at permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

Any help you can offer at your earliest convenience would be very much appreciated. I'm hoping to post the page this week.

Thanks so, so much.

Sincerely, J e n •••••••••••••••••••••••••••• j e n   c h a s e      principal, Eat•Meets•Ink, LLC

Crafting come-hither content for food + lifestyle clients. 508.982.4765            email  |  research  |  link



On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Wyatt Poole (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) wrote:

Hello Jen, you have SPYONvegas' permission to use this photo with photo credit to both SPYONvegas and Amit and a hyperlink back you our site http://spyonvegas.com/. The photo was taken by Amit Dadlaney on November 29, 2011. This photo was actually for "The Best Man" where he one "The Capitalist".

Best,

-Wyatt

From: Jen Chase (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) Date: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:44 To: Wyatt Poole (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) Subject: Re: Hello; Use of photo from your site for a Wikipedia page

Wyatt,

Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly. All of the information is extremely helpful and I'll credit all you said to.

Question: What kind of a license does SpyOnVegas.com use for its photos? Wikipedia is super particular about making sure that writers get the right permissions, and I'm being asked to ask if you as the copyright owner has chosen one of the following licenses -- Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike, Creative Commons Attribution or GNU Free Documentation License -- or if the photo is in the public domain, or from a free published source.

I'm sorry to be a bug and appreciate any feedback you can share.

Sincerely, J e n



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From: Wyatt Poole (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE) Subject: Re: Hello; Use of photo from your site for a Wikipedia page Date: July 30, 2012 1:15:30 PM PDT To: Jen Chase (EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED DUE TO AUTOMATIC WARNING I RECEIVED FROM WIKIPEDIA NOTING I'D USED AN EMAIL ADDRESS IN THIS SPACE)

Hey Jen, no problem.

This photo is in the public domain.



Hi, Wyatt.

Hope this note finds you having had a great Monday.

I'm still on a twisty road toward having my innocuous little profile of Joey Avino accepted for Wikipedia. The Wiki powers-that-be have just reached out to me saying that even though you sent that nice email with permission to use the public domain pic of Joey on the red carpet at the 2011 SpyOnVegas "The Best Man" awards--as long as it's credited to SpyOnVegas.com and Amit Dadlaney--Wikipedia absolutely requires that all entities giving permission for their content to be used has to designate the copyright license it agrees to.

(Silly me, thinking that asking for "permission" was as simple as it sounded.)

Wikipedia normally requires permission for material to be used under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License. This means that although SpyOnVegas retains the copyright and authorship of your own work/Amit Dadlaney's work, SpyOnVegas is granting permission for all others (not just Wikipedia) to use, copy, and share your materials freely as long as they do not try to claim the copyright themselves, nor prevent others from using or copying them freely.

(Want to read the full license? It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License. Here's more about the Creative Commons license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/.)

The license protects creators "from being considered responsible for modifications made by others" while making sure that creators are credited for their work. (Here's more on Wikipedia's copyright policy, if you'd like to read it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights) Yesterday you gave me permission to use the pic, and in my draft for approval I've already credited Amit/SpyOnVegas for the work in the image's permanent description page and right in Mr. Avino's bio, noting that it is owned by SpyOnVegas and is used with your permission. It's also linked back to your website. But below, Wikipedia is making me ask you to please explicitly state under which license you grant permission. I then have to send it to them, and then the photo can be "legal."

To make it easier for you I drafted content to send to Wikipedia's "Permissions Police." And if you agree to it, I'll send this morning.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and I look forward to your response. This is the last hurdle I have to getting the profile posted and with your help it'll actually happen.

Sincerely,

J e n

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Notice of Permission/License for Photo Use from SpyOnVegas

I hereby affirm that SpyOnVegas is the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of photograph of Joey Avino, et al., on the red carpet of the SpyOnVegas 2011 "The Best Man" awards, taken at The Palms in Las Vegas, NV, on Nov. 29, 2011. I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0" (unported) and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that SpyOnVegas always retains copyright of the work, and retain the right to be attributed--along with photographer Amit Dadlaney--in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I am aware that the free license only concerns copyright, and I reserve the option to take action against anyone who uses this work in a libelous way, or in violation of personality rights, trademark restrictions, etc.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the work may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Wyatt Poole Director of Marketing, SpyOnVegas.com 31 July 2012




 * That's great; please forward the permission emails to "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org". That way, it will be received by the OTRS people who will add the permission notice to the image page. Thank you for your effort! Huon (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Reviewers: You're all volunteers, and I can hardly believe that Wikipedia runs so smoothly by only the good graces of so many volunteers.

I'm a freelance writer and I know what its' like to constantly be at the mercy of people getting back to you (or not, as the case often is). I'm only writing to thank you for doing the work you do. I use your site so much and have learned so much. I'm truly just thanking you for doing the work that you do.

No need to respond.

Sincerely, Jenniferelise (talk) 21:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The best way to thank us is to become involved - even if you just fix a few typos as you happen to find them, your contribution would be much appreciated. Roger (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jean-Pierre Montcassen
I've translated this article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jean-Pierre Montcassen from Hungarian hu:Cselenyák_Imre to which I created a redirect from hu:Jean-Pierre Montcassen.

This is the link to the page: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cselenyák_Imre. It has been rejected, and I don't know what to change, or even if I should alter the translation. Help! Thank you!

Stevie13 (talk) 21:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Stevie. I can't see much wrong with the tone of your article, so I'm not sure why the reviewer declined it for that reason. However, because the sources are in Hungarian, it will help greatly if you can explain what the sources are (and what they say). You could have a look at Citations and Verifiability, which describes the basic information we need to know about your sources. Articles need to be written using independent, reliable news or book sources, to prove that the subject is notable enough for Wikipedia. Sionk (talk) 22:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I don't think any of the references are reliable secondary sources. They seem mostly primary sources to me, not sufficient to establish Imre's notability. Secondly, the translation apparently led to some excessively long sentences with rather strange grammar, such as:
 * In 1989, he finished a journalistic course, since then he has been writing short stories, novels, his short prose has been published bythe literary journals C. E. T., Polisz, Új Holnap, Magyar Napló, Debreceni Disputa, but his writings can be read in the columns of the dailies 24 ÓRA, Kelet Magyarország, and others, as well as the magazines Gyöngy, and Anna.
 * In English we should probably break that up into multiple sentences. The word choices at times also seem strange; for example, in the very first sentence we call him a "story teller"; is that really what we mean? "Author" is the word I'd have expected. Finally, the article could do with a little more structure. Imre apparently was a musician, an author under a pen name, and an organizer of literary groups. Right now these three aspects are presented in one big lump, and I cannot tell if one of them is his main claim to fame and the others are just hobbies or side projects, or whether he is equally famous for two or all three of these activities. I can't tell whether he satisfies the notability criteria of WP:MUSIC, we don't have any reviews of his books, and nothing on whether his leadership of the literary organizations has been in any way noteworthy. Better references would probably solve this problem, too; then we could follow the sources in assigning weight to our coverage of Imre's activities. Huon (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sociology Association of Ireland
Hello, I wanted to ask when my article on the Sociology Association of Ireland would be published, if it has been passed by the editors. Liamled (talk) 22:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. There's a bit of a backlog at the moment, so your submission may take a couple of days to review. I'm personally still not totally convinced that the references supplied are sufficient to sustain notability of the article, I'm afraid, though someone else may have a different point of view on that. --Ritchie333 (talk) 22:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)