Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 July 10

= July 10 =

new article format Wikipedia talk: Articles for creation/Jay Brett Byler
Im trying to write a new article for the first time. Is there a format? example= parenthesis around names? Who formats the article and adds the paragraphs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blakedc20 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest looking at similar articles for examples of "standard" formats. The manual of style also explains how articles should look. The formatting is usually done by the authors; the Guild of Copyeditors is a group of people who specialize in such work (though usually not on drafts, I believe).
 * A blank line in the text editor will be interpreted as a paragraph break in the article. You might also want to have a look at Help:Editing for basic advice.
 * I noticed that your draft currently does not have any reliable secondary sources. Significant coverage in such sources is required to establish a topic's notability; furthermore, content should be based on such sources so our readers can verify it. Huon (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

article for creation: Actors Federal Credit Union
Hello, I've been working on an article on the Actors Federal Credit Union and would like to 'submit' - but do not see the button -- but I just "found" the page on a Google search: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actors_federal_credit_union

The top of the page has several alerts: This article appears to be written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. (July 2012) -- I'VE TRIED TO DO THIS -- I WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK...

The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. (July 2012) -- ??? REALLY?

This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (July 2012)

I AM TRYING TO GET MORE SOURCES BUT HAVE ALSO CUT BACK ON SOME OF THE CURRENTLY UNVERIFIABLE INFO.

This article's references may not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources. Please help by checking whether the references meet the criteria for reliable sources. (July 2012)

THANKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by LorrSG (talk • contribs) 01:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I've removed some of the tags that are no longer relevant, you've done a fairly good job of fixing the problems. This article is not part of the Articles for creation process as it is in mainspace, please use the main WP:Helpdesk if you need further help with this article. It definitely needs more references - there are entire paragraphs that have no cites at all - the list of qualifying orgs is unsourced. Roger (talk) 08:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Baby on the Move
hello,

I tried to chat via livechat but unfortunately no one has responded.

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I've made a page (my first) it was a lot harder than I thought it would be; my question is

I do not know how to remove the citations, they appear in a vertical row above the references.

I have made this page because I found it very difficult to find an approved baby seat fitter in New Zealand. After having a personal event in this area I would like there to be a reference to EC44 and some of the businesses who can fit legally correct seating for children to protect lives.

I chose baby on the move as they are the largest in New Zealand.

Kind regards Enid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enid Rob Rubeon (talk • contribs) 02:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/baby_on_the_move

Hi there,

I am very sorry to bother again, there was one other link that I wanted to use as a reference in my page, as this was the area I was having an issue with I though it may be best to direct this to the helpdesk first.

the link is http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapi-mana-news/7126164/No-second-chance-for-getting-car-retraints-right

I was confused some, by the citation and refernce bulleting in my page, are you able to help me please.

(it highlights the importance of child seat retraints and child safety and provided addresses/conact for approved fitment).

my kind regards Enid — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enid Rob Rubeon (talk • contribs) 03:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have removed the empty reference tags, but as the reviewer said, the article needs reliable sources which are independent of the company and provide significant coverage, such as newspaper articles covering it in some detail. These sources are necessary both to establish the company's notability and to allow our readers to verify the content.
 * The reviewer also noted that the article should decide whether its topic is "New Zealand child seat restraint regulations" or "Baby on the Move". Right now the first half covers the company, the second does not even mention it any more. If it's on the company, all sections and external links that don't mention Baby on the Move should be removed. Huon (talk) 08:59, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alex Randall
Hello,I recently had my wiki page denied due to linking press articles to scanned images on the artists website. I have now removed the links and just left them as normal journal cites. Would someone be able to tell me if i have done this correctly? also

I had my main photo removed due to copyright issues. I have permission by the owner so would like to know what to do to get it put back up?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessnyssen (talk • contribs) 13:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have done some work tidying up the references, but there were some issues I couldn't resolve quickly. Most importantly, the footnotes (the tags and the citation template within) should be placed in the article text, right after the corresponding statement. The reflist template in the references section will then automatically generate and display the list of footnotes. (That's just a bunch of copying-and-pasting, but I expect you'll know what reference goes where; I'd have to do some serious work for that.) One reference had a descriptive text claiming it was by The Times, but I couldn't verify that - was that some sort of inclosure? Also, the "date=" parameter is meant for the entire date; you used it just for the day of the month. I fixed that whenever I could, but one reference only had the year and the day of the month, but not the month itself. The "first=" and "last=" parameters are meant for the author's name; I removed all instances when they were used for anything else.
 * The draft still has lots of external links to the artist's website; for example, the "Major artworks" section is one big linkfarm. If no secondary source has discussed or at least mentioned the artworks, they are probably not all that major; I'd suggest removing the entire section. Similarly, the "Selected shows" section should only mention those shows for which there are independent reviews, and it should provide those reviews as references, not link to the homepages of the organizations which hosted the shows if those homepages don't mention Randall. (As a further aside, one of your references looked like a primary source to me, the organization hosting one of the shows reporting on its own exhibition, and several others, blogs and such, probably do not have the reputation for fact-checking and accuracy required to be considered reliable.)
 * Regarding the copyright permission, please see WP:Requesting copyright permission; that page covers in detail what permission we require and what to do when permission is confirmed. Huon (talk) 14:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Review pages go live
Hello there,

I have just created a page for review: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Helen_Storey#Helen_Storey

Can I request that it does not go live until I give permission? How would that work?

Best, Carolyn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.90.148 (talk) 13:33, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We can make it a draft, which I have done. When you are ready, you will find a "click here" in the template to submit it again.   :- ) Don  13:40, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Formally, by posting anything on Wikipedia, you release it under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License, which means that it's beyond requirements for your "permission" to go live. But in practice no one will put an article draft into the main article space unless you submit it for review first, as described by Don. Huon (talk) 14:36, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jim Graves
HI!

RE: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jim Graves

I'm confused by my entry for 'Jim Graves.' It appears someone else had attempted to create an article but failed, and I'm not sure if my entry on the same subject will be effected by it. I'm also unsure if my entry is queued for review.

Thanks!

Bradyhaggstrom (talk) 17:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I removed the old stale draft and fixed a reference error in your draft. You can send it for review if you're ready. Roger (talk) 18:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Canadian Hero Fund Actually, the Globe and Mail source is a response by their online Communities Editor to a reader's question -- quite different from being merely a reader's suggestion. You also missed the news release from the Governor General of Canada's website (not sure where you're from, but this would effectively be the equivalent of a news release from the President of the United States, as the GG is Canada's Head of State) which validates that Hero Fund's Executive Director was awarded a major prize for his work. You may argue that that's a primary source, but it's a highly reputable one, and that list is published on newspapers' websites as well.

In sum: 1) the Globe & Mail piece (while not an "article", it's nonetheless an acknowledgement from a significant editor at that publication); 2) the military families' magazine; 3) a news release from Canada's Head of State. Seems that should meet your criteria for notability (more than one source with more than one sentence).

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Canadian Hero Fund
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Canadian Hero Fund Please clarify what kinds of sources would best demonstrate the Canadian Hero Fund's notability. Sources used include The Globe and Mail, one of Canada's most prominent daily newspapers, a medium-sized local newspaper from British Columbia, and Hockey Canada (the body that organizes Canada's participation at events such as the Olympics), all of which, in my view, suitably demonstrate notability. 209.153.208.2 (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The Globe and Mail would be an excellent source, if that were indeed a Globe and Mail article. Instead it's a reader-submitted suggestion and some soundbites from a Hero Fund spokesperson, with no secondary coverage by the Globe and Mail itself. Several other sources only mention the Hero Fund in passing, or not at all. That's not the significant coverage required to establish notability. Furthermore, an organization like Hockey Canada reporting on its own fundraiser is a primary source, but we need independent, secondary sources. (A YouTube music video is neither a reliable source nor, in this case, a secondary source.) The only secondary source to provide more than a single sentence on the Hero Fund is the Canadian Military Family Magazine. "Significant coverage" is usually interpreted as "more than one source that devotes more than one sentence".
 * Newspaper articles on the Hero Fund would probably be the best sources we can expect. Huon (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)