Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 July 11

= July 11 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Australian Outback Poetry Prize
Trying to provide sources for this article. We don't have a website for it. Would a scan of a newspaper article be sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callmeskip (talk • contribs) 01:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It is only necessary to provide information about the citation necessary for someone to verify it, if so desired. For general information see WP:CITE, specifically the News section.  To add the information with the Wiki Editor you should click 'Cite' at the top center menu bar, then on the left in the drop down menu select 'cite news' and fill in the blanks.  More information and tutorials can be found at refToolbar 2.0  For more information on manually adding citations to your article you can look at Template:Cite news.
 * At least two independent, reliable sources are desired.  :- ) Don  02:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Toonz
Hello, could someone check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Toonz and tell me if the article is good enough to be published?

Thanks, --Fabio Piacentini (talk) 07:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I touched up a few minor little things. Someone else have a look. It looks pretty good to me. We will know for sure when it is reviewed.  We are generally trying to do the oldest first and I'm not sure where you are in the queue, but I have to hit the hay, 2:30 am here. Thanks, and good luck.  :- ) Don  08:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Did I do it right ?
Hi, It seems I should have put a short biographical about "Erich Edlinger" (Austrian singer) at Wikipedia talk. It is now in my Sandbox, but I don't know what to do with it now. I am not sure if I did it right, since it did not show up in the list of articles scheduled for review and approval for July 10, 2012.

Review of User:LI1391013/sandbox

PS I found it at "AfC submissions in userspace". But it needs to be moved to "AfC submissions by date/10 July 2012", right? Otherwise nothing will happen. LI1391013 (talk) 09:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have moved the draft to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Erich Edlinger. That's the namespace for drafts awaiting review; it's now categorized among the AfC submissions by date/10 July 2012.
 * I have also done some copyediting, but the article desperately needs better sources. Right now it has a single reference, which is itself sourced to Edlinger himself (actually large parts are a direct translation of that German source, which raises issues of copyright). I'm pretty sure more (and truly independent) sources on Edlinger, such as newspaper articles, exist, but we'll have to find them. Huon (talk) 11:11, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Seve Gomez-Aspron
what SOI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hasibullah Attaie (talk • contribs) 10:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're asking, but that draft needs reliable secondary sources such as newspaper articles to show that Gomez-Aspron is notable. Just saying "Source: Newspaper articles" is not enough; we must provide enough bibliographical information to allow our readers to find the source - such as the name of the newspaper, the date, and, if possible, the name of the article's author and a page number, or a link to an online version of that newspaper. Huon (talk) 11:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chrysta Bell
Hello, why wasn't my article on Chrysta Bell accepted? Zacbayly (talk) 15:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We need to see that Bell is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. To be convinced of that, we need to see she (or her music) has been widely reported and talked about in reliable sources (generally newspapers or magazines). See Wikipedia's 'golden rule' or the guidance on 'notability' of musicians, WP:MUSICBIO. Of the sources currently in your article, one is a blog (not generally reliable), two are video's of Bell's music, one is a short article which talks about an interview in 'Dazed and Confused' and the last one is the interview in 'Dazed and Confused' (this is realy a primary source because it is Bell talking about herself, so counts little towards 'notability'). None really provide enough information to creat a meaningful article, hence a third of your article is a long quote from Bell. You really need to provide more evidence that she, or her music, has been written about or reviewed in reliable news or magazine sources. Sionk (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hamish Telfer Adam (Biographical Article)
The 'reviewer' has intimated that my draft article does not contain 'reliable sources' for the information contained regarding Hamish Telfer Adam. I have listed the various websites on which the majority of the factual information can be verified, including the recent Honours List, in which he received his MBE and is already available on your website. You will appreciate that such Honour Nominations are checked thoroughly for accuracy by UK Government Staff prior to any award being made. I have read the section on 'reliable sources' but it has not clarified the matter for me. Hamish Adam was involved from the start of the sport of karate when the World Championships began in 1970. There is already a page on Wikipeadia regarding one of his contemporaries, namely Ticky Donovan, who was also Honoured by the Queen some years ago

I would like to include two photographs in the article on Hamish Adam but can not find an option to incorporate them.

I have already prepared a 'pdf' of the article and photos if that would be of any assistance, but I would require an e-mail address from you to send it.

I am a reasonably well educated person with limited computer skills, but I am not an academic and I am finding your submission process difficult and not very 'user friendly'. Instead of encouraging people to subscribe to it, the process actually provides obstacles which may deter them. I await your further guidance in these matters

Thanks

Robert Robb (Remorobus) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remorobus (talk • contribs) 18:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear you've been having problems. You don't need to be an academic to contribute to Wikipedia, but there are a few basic rules that should be followed. One of the basic rules is that information needs to be verifiable. Your article doesn't say where any of your information was obtained - we would need to know the specific sources, not just the general website domains. Secondly, subjects need to be 'notable' enough to appear in an encyclopedia. To prove they are widely known, we generally need to see they have been talked about in news articles, magazines or books (reliable sources}).
 * However, because Adam has participated in several(?) World Championships, he was evidently a very successful international sportsman and may meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for sportspeople. Therefore it is will be particularly helpful if you can point us to a source that verifies his sports career. Hope that helps explain things! Sionk (talk) 22:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

The criteria used by your website for the inclusion of Ticky Donovan would appear to be different from the criteria you are applying to Hamish Adam. Both men are legends within the sport of karate and have been World Champions, coached World Champions. and both received Honours from the Queen. The problem is there was no internet in the 1970s, 80s, and most of the 90s. Perhaps it would be better if I abandoned my attempt to put a Biographical Article about Hamish Adam on Wikipeadia and placed the article on various Karate websites where his achievements and career are known and accepted by their respective Admin Teams.

Sadly I find I am disappointed that those involved in the administration of Wikipeadia are being obstructive and unhelpful in respect of this matter

Robert Robb (remorobus) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remorobus (talk • contribs) 17:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * While online sources have practical advantages, they are not strictly required - you can also use newspapers as references if you provide sufficient bibliographical details to allow our readers to unambiguously identify the source (such as the article title, the name of the newspaper, the publication date, and the page number). However, of the six references you curretly have, three are primary sources, the websites of organizations Adam is affiliated with, and the other three web pages do not mention him (though a search on the government website did provide the full hohours list, which devoted less than ten words to Adam). For comparison, Ticky Donovan, while also weak on references, provides an article in the East London and West Essex Guardian which covers Donovan in some detail. But even if it didn't (and I'm sure other articles with insufficient sources exist), each article has to stand on its own merits. Huon (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Parthasarathy.R.
Hi I have created the above page about my father, who was a notable and famous IAS officer of the Indian government. I will edit and add more information later. Could you please finalize the page and post it on Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodguy564312 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Your draft article is not currently submitted for review. If you can submit it, someone will have a look at it for you. However, it will help your case if you can prove that the person is notable enough for an encyclopedia entry. See Wikipedia's 'golden rule' - you need to show that he has been widely talked about in newspapers, magazines or books. If he was indeed very famous and/or a senior military man, please provide proof of this and we can decide if he meets Wikipedia's basic criteria. Sionk (talk) 22:45, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Graduate_School_of_Public_Health,_San_Diego_State_University
Hi, could someone please look at my article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Graduate_School_of_Public_Health,_San_Diego_State_University) and see if it needs any improvements? I want it to be as good as possible.

Thanks! Rapha1023 (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The draft heavily relies on primary sources such as the organization's own websites or those of its cooperation partners, but Wikipedia content should be based on secondary sources. Even worse, I couldn't find where the CAHME website actually supports the sentence it's cited for - a search brought up the fact that San Diego State University offers a CAHME-accredited MPH degree, but it says nothing about CEPH accreditation, let alone about the number of schools having both.
 * Without significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the school, such as newspaper articles, it will probably be considered not independently notable, and what can be supported by secondary sources could be merged into the article on the college. Huon (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I have replaced many of the primary sources with secondary sources, and I have clarified the sentence pertaining to CAHME accreditation.

Rapha1023 (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John de Ruiter
I completely rewrote the entire article using only reliable secondary sources so I am unclear as to why this was rejected. The tone and style followed very closely to the Eckarte Tolle and Osho pages. Can you please give more insight into this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Planktonium (talk • contribs) 22:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I just had a look at the first five references. They were, in order, an article in Dutch magazine that I'd call "New Age" (the link was useless because it didn't point to the article itself), a domain for sale that didn't mention anything, a website offering de Ruiter's works for sale, de Ruiter's book, and a blog. The second obviously useless as references on de Ruiter, the next two are not independent, and the fifth is not reliable. That leaves us with the magazine article, which might be a reliable source - that would depend on whether the magazine has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Many of the other references also looked like primary sources to me - his own books were mentioned rather often. And some of the sources did not actually support the statements they were cited for, which is worse.
 * Wikipedia content should be based on secondary sources, and I'd expect for someone whose base of operations is Edmonton, sources in English should exist - how about articles in mainstream newspapers? Huon (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)