Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 June 1

= June 1 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Stefan Obermaier
HI, I just created an artist article about an austrian musician (-Stefan Obermaier -he has already a gold award, 2 albums released at a major label (universal) a 3rd album coming out this month, an own room at the famous sound and music museum in Vienna next to the great composers like Mozart, Beethoven, etc.) but I didn't "meet wiki's criteria"... -? the german article is already approved. I didn't use a lot of "references" for that from online sources, because in my opinion they are not actual (and mostly what I could find were playlists). I am sure in the next month there will come out new and actual articles about the artist -because of his new release. But in the moment I am wondering why that is not enough. -I searched also for other musician's articles (especially from Germany and Austria in the English Wiki), -for comparing and now I am wondering, because a lot of them have many "recourses" in the articles, but even more have no one, or just one... -how can that be? -Why they are matching the criteria and me not? Thanks! Kirschblume (talk) 08:21, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Obermaier may well be notable, but the draft does not show it. To establish notability by Wikipedia's standards, we need significant coverage in reliable secondary sources such as newspaper articles. The Haus der Musik website is a primary source, and the discogs search results hardly have the "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" we require of reliable sources. Furthermore, much of the article, especially all the content about Obermaier's early life and education, is not supported by references at all. I expect such sources exist, but the article should be based on them, and currently it's not. As an aside, there may be other bad articles, but that's no reason to create one more. We probably haven't conme around to improving or deleting those other articles, but that doesn't mean they are to be emulated. Huon (talk) 11:14, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * thanks! ok, I understand, then I will create the article about him for sure after the professional communication work about the artist around the upcoming release will have done its work (what was obviously not the case in the past) and when there can be found more significant articles online. But what would you suggest me to do for now? That he has released the stuff is fact -but as you said- primary that can be found now just on primary sources (just as the universal music homepage, vienna scientists homepage, the mueseum site, etc.) Do you have any ideas for me? Thanks, all the best! Kirschblume (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I would expect a Viennese newspaper to have reported on Obermaier's Haus der Musik installation. If such an article could be found (not necessarily online, though that would of course be preferable) it would make a fine source, but unfortunately Google News came up empty. If no secondary sources can be found, then despite appearances Obermaier is not yet notable, and my suggestion would be to wait until secondary sources about him have been written. Huon (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/H. J. High Construction
I have a question about the rejection of my most recent article submission. First though, I see that some of my references did not appear in this submission. I followed the Wiki referencing format, so I'm not sure why they didn't appear ... but I will re-enter them when I resubmit my article.

Before I do this however, here's my question:

My article was rejected because: This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

Checking the notability and verifiability guidelines, I don't understand why my article was rejected. My article featured references from: • 4 references to construction industry websites; these articles were written by independent journalists • 6 references to magazines, including both general business magazines and construction industry magazines. Again, these articles were written by independent journalists.

My references then are • Third-party • Verifiable (I included both web links and publication names and dates of articles—is this not sufficient verifiability?) • Significant (each article contains a minimum one-paragraph write up on my subject

Please explain to me how my references failed to meet your criteria for notability.

Thank you,

Dan McD — Preceding unsigned comment added by D102653A (talk • contribs) 13:29, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ I have tidied up the references, fixing a broken link and the like. While some of the draft's references seem surprisingly laudatory ("H. j. High Construction: A company you can trust"?), they indeed are reliable secondary sources. Whether the coverage is significant is a little more debatable - the Masterson article doesn't really tell us much about H. J. High, but several others have the company as their primary topic. Some problems remain, but they can be fixed by editing. Huon (talk) 16:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Does the "Accepted" check mean that my article has been ... accepted? If not, please tell me what problems remain and how I can fix them. I will be glad to make the fixes if I can.

Thanks very much for your response and help.

Dan McD — Preceding unsigned comment added by D102653A (talk • contribs) 18:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/J.M. Benjamin
I'm not sure if I did J.M. Benjamin correctly can you please help me with it. StaceyMcNeill (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What kind of help do you require? The draft is not currently submitted for review, but I would suggest some major changes before submitting it. For example, you should cite your references by using footnotes. Furthermore, quite a few of those references are primary sources, websites of organizations Benjamin is affiliated with. Those cannot establish notability. The single secondary source is the article from the local part of The New York Times, and the draft does not really use the information contained in that reference. Expanding the draft based on that reference might be worthwhile, but further secondary sources would also be very useful. Huon (talk) 17:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bajatell - biography
Pierre –  My journey as “Bajatell”  –  A story in itself… www.bajatell.ca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malebeau (talk • contribs) 17:01, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I have moved the content to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bajatell - biography, but the text does not show the subject's notability and had no reliable sources whatsoever. It would also have to be rewritten in its entirety because of its unencyclopedic tone (we don't write articles as a first-person narrative), and WP:Autobiography also applies. In summary, I don't expect this to be a valid topic for an article, and it would take significant coverage in reliable secondary sources to prove me wrong. Huon (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/YPA Streetball
I have put all the sources. I cited them in reference already. Why do I keep getting denied? — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreshCaesar (talk • contribs) 18:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Because you do not use inline citations and footnotes. To help our readers verify your draft's content, each statement should be directly attributed to the relevant reference. Otherwise one would have to look up all references in order to find the one which supports the statement one wants to check.
 * Also, many of your references are not reliable secondary sources. Wikipedia articles, for example, are not considered reliable. The supposed interview with YPA CEO Court Smith is not an interview, and I don't think Streetballin.net has the reputation for fact-checking and accuracy we require of a reliable source. Huon (talk) 19:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Author not found
You are missing a great mystery writer as Joel Goldman who is listed in many other places. He is a great crime writer with the Lou Mason & Jack Davis series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.96.144.149 (talk) 18:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You can request new articles at WP:Requested articles. This page is for help with article submissions. Huon (talk) 19:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shrooms
Hi guys, I am preparing a draft of the article to submit for review. Could you please advice on how can I rename the page to disambiguate it?

Finally I would like to have the page accessible on the web via the url below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrooms_(game)

U35tpus (talk) 21:30, 1 June 2012 (UTC) Regards, Oleg


 * I have moved the draft to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shrooms (game); when the submission is accepted it will be moved to your proposed title. But I had to note that the draft does not show significant coverage of the game in reliable secondary sources; if no such coverage can be found, the game will be considered non-notable by Wikipedia's standards, and therefore not an appropriate topic for an article. Huon (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note that I have also nominated the now-empty page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shrooms for speedy deletion. That's not your draft, that's just a relic of the page move which we do not need. Huon (talk) 22:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)