Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 June 5

= June 5 =

Which parts of my article are unverifiable? Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Samuel Stalin Kapembe (Stalin Kay)
Can you kindly point out which parts of my submission (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Samuel Stalin Kapembe (Stalin Kay)) are unverifiable so I can target those parts.

Best

Samsmartin81 (talk) 11:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * How about "[he] would later go on to sign a plethora of talented artists to the label", or "Stalin also recorded The Dogg's break-out chart-topping and Sanlam Namibia Awards' winning single, "Jesus Otati" a fact least known to many", or "Artists moulded by Stalin went on to win accolades at the very 1st Sanlam Namibia Music Awards in 2003 and subsequently in later years"? Furthermore, many of your current references are primary sources or not reliable. In particular, Wikipedia does not consider itself a reliable source. I also have doubts about AfricasGateway, which seems to accept news submissions by users. Huon (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Air Safaris (NZ)
Hi I have been working on my article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Air Safaris (NZ). I have got 12 refs at the bottom but none are notable from the review completed, even though most are from secondary sources how do I make them more notable or should I find better ones. The list is at the bottom of the page if anyone has any suggestions on how I can improve the article that would be very appreciated.CHCBOY (talk) 11:18, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Most of your sources are not secondary or not reliable. A travel agency trying to sell Air Safaris tours is not a secondary source. User-submitted reviews such as those at tripadvisor.com.au lack a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy and are not considered reliable. The aerodrome source does not even mention Air Safaris. The best reference is the Flight International article; if you could find more sources in newspapers or the like, that would go a long way towards establishing the company's notability. Of course you should not just provide such sources, but the article should be based on them. If there's too little coverage for that, the company probably isn't notable. Huon (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Huon, actually the ref for the aerodrome is there for the airport at Lake Tekapo. Now I found an additional article from the pacific wings magazine used for ref (14) and an air crash report for their accident in 1998(12). There is the flight global one too. Would that be enough for it to be sent for a review again? CHCBOY (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The Pacific Wings article looks very good, but the crash report seems to be user-submitted content and comes with a warning that the publisher does not guarantee the report's correctness - the exact opposite of a reliable source. The NTSB report isn't really helpful; maybe some news coverage of the accident can be found? Anyway, as I said, the article should be based on reliable sources. The Pacific Wings and Flight International articles, especially the former, might be sufficient for that, but major parts of the article would have to be rewritten to bring it in line what the secondary sources say. As an aside, the Pacific Wings article is called "part 2" - if "part 1" offers as much coverage of Air Safaris, it would also be a very useful source, but I could not find it. Huon (talk) 14:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thamks again Huon, seem to be getting there slowly will work on it CHCBOY (talk) 12:25, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/H. J. High Construction - How does Infobox company template work?
I want to create an infobox template in my article similar to the one that appears in the Haskell Company article. I followed the instructions for Infobox company: "To use this template in an article, copy the template below then paste the template into an article." I did this, but my template does not show up in my article. What did I do wrong and how can I correct it?

Also ... is this the right place to ask questions about an article after it has been accepted? I clicked on my "user talk page" and this is where I ended up. Am I in the right place—and if not, how do I get the place I need to be to ask post-acceptance questions?

Thank you,

Dan McD D102653A (talk) 13:26, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * The infobox has been fixed by User:Huon and is now showing on your article. - Happysailor  (Talk) 13:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/H. J. High Construction
I am trying to get to my talk page to ask a question about an article I have written. I must've done something wrong on my attempt to get to this page, because I received this response:

It appears that this template is being used on a non-user talk page. Please remove this instance of the template. This template is meant for use on talk pages. Your user talk page can be found here. If you added this template, please remove this template and re-add it on your user talk page. If you did not add this template, please remove it from this page.

However, when I click on the "user talk page" link I end up here—and this apparently is not a user talk page.

Querstions: • How do I get to my user talk page? • Once there, how and where do I ask my question?

Also, the previous error message asks me to "please remove this template and re-add it on your user talk page? How do I do this?

Thank you,

Dan McD D102653A (talk) 13:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Your userpage can be found by clicking the My talk link at the top right of the screen, inbetween your username & your preferences. - Happysailor  (Talk) 13:51, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

question regarding the submission of my page Distant Village for approval
I was wondering if someone could guide me through why my page Distant Village was not approved? Are there some simple steps that I can do to clean up the list of references? This page should be historical and factual as they are the first Fair Trade, Environmentally friendly packaging company. Let me know, thanks

Sustainablescottie (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2012 (UTC) Sustainablecottie
 * With the exception of the ABC news story, all your references are to primary sources. Notability by Wikipedia's standards requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, and a single piece of local news is usually not considered "significant". In order to establish the company's notability, you should provide additional secondary sources. Huon (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

i want to make the page of MR.GHAYYUR AKHTAR
MR.GHAYYUR AKHTAR is an actor director writter producer and radio stage artist.He is pakistani actor. I want to make the page of MR.GHAYYUR AKHTAR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.36.68.221 (talk) 15:57, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Please use the Article Wizard, and remember that significant coverage in reliable secondary sources (such as newspaper articles) is necessary to establish Akhtar's notability. Huon (talk) 17:28, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

recent page submission was declined
I recently submitted a page on the rock group Kicking Daisies Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kicking Daisies. It was declined with reasons given including the lack of credible sources and promotional language. Now, I'm writing the page as a freelance writer, and I've already disclosed that my client is the Kicking Daisies management. They would like to know why pages on other musical groups and entities with less exposure and mainstream documentation have been included in Wikipedia -- Care Bears on Fire and Rebecca Black, to name just two. The Kicking Daisies management team is "determined" (in their manager's words) to have a successful page. I'll tweak the language as needed, but I am wondering what else needs to be done to get this page to fly? Thanks. Cjmckinney (talk) 17:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding other bands with less exposure: Other stuff exists, but that's no reason to create more articles on non-notable bands. To establish notability you'd have to demonstrate significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, and the article should be based on those sources. For example, the claim that Justin Bieber is "associated" with Kicking Daisies definitely needs a source to back it up. The sections about current and past members are entirely unreferenced. The links to Radio Disney and the New York Times for the Disney award and its aftermath are broken (and Radio Disney would be a primary source anyway), the Digital Hollywood source doesn't even mention Kicking Daisies, and so on. I don't see which of the criteria of WP:MUSIC they are supposed to satisfy, either. As an aside, I believe it's extremely uncommon to add entire sections on the management that are longer than the sections on the band members themselves. Huon (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * On the topic of the management being "determined" to have an article on WP, please see WP:OWN and WP:COI. Roger (talk) 12:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Emiliano Reyes
Dear WikiProject,

I hope all is well! I just wanted to know if I need to do anything more to help with the review process. Do you send an email confirmation or should I just log back on.

many thanks!


 * Your draft is currently awaiting review, but it does not use inline citations or footnotes. Please add footnotes so readers can easily verify which reference supports which statement.
 * I have heard rumors that we indeed send an email confirmation, but since I've never submitted a draft for review myself, I don't guarantee for that (I always found those rumors hard to believe because many new users will not have emails enabled, making that a less-than-reliable way of notifying users). I'd suggest logging back on periodically - you'll definitely be notified on your talk page, and there will be a brigth orange hatnote informing you of the new talk page message. Huon (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you will get a confirmation email when your article is accepted or rejected for the first time. Typically, a reviewer will post on your User Talk page when they have completed their review and that is the notification that you will receive. (At least that's how it worked for me!) In my case, the reviewers only posted on my User Talk page for the initial rejection and final acceptance. For the other revisions that were rejected as I refined my article I had to check the website, but the reviewers are pretty efficient and will often search out for your revision to see if you addressed the issues they noted. It would be a good idea to check every day or every other day just to be safe. I hope this helps! Patrick Bradshaw (talk) 21:23, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/List of NYU Graduate Acting Program Alumni
Hi,

(I submitted a previous question but I wasn't logged in so now I can't find the answer...)

I am wondering about the question of notability for this page. It seems to me that the people listed are equally notable as those on the many other "List of Alumni" pages... see for example

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alumni_of_St_Peter%27s_College,_Auckland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alumni_of_the_University_of_Chile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Michigan_arts_alumni

etc.

These pages include internal links to Wikipedia pages of the people involved, but very few external links. Do I have too many? How can I reformat this page to pass the notability criterion?

Thanks,

Jamesborda (talk) 18:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)James


 * The reply is the last one for May 31, and it basically said that since we already have a list of New York University alumni, we do not need a separate list for NYU Graduate Acting Program Alumni. The Acting Program alumni should just be added to the main NYU alumni list. Huon (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Anthony J. Batten
Thank you for reviewing the article Anthony J. Batten.

Review stated: the information should be verifiable, with clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia.

This artist is most worthy of inclusion and 5 references were given. The artist Rudolf Stussi only has 1 reference, and is included on Wikipedia.

Please provide help and advice. Artisforme (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Some of your references are primary sources, in particular Batten's own exhibition catalogues. Those cannot establish a subject's notability; we need secondary sources for that. According to Google Books, Aquarelle! is also a primary source. That leaves us with only the America West airline magazine, and I'm not sure an in-flight magazine really comes with the reputation for fact-checking and accuracy we require of a reliable source. On the other hand, not a single one of your references supported Batten's Golden Jubilee Medal. To show that Batten is notable enough to be included, please present more reliable secondary sources, for example a news report about his medal, and make sure that the article text is actually supported by those references.
 * Regarding other articles with insufficient references: Other bad articles exist, but that's no reason to create more. Huon (talk) 21:34, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Dear editors,

under the "Governor General of Canada" there is a section titled "its an honour" and if you go to the Golden Jubilee Medal and recipients, Anthony Batten's name comes up: "Proof" direct from Canada's "White House". Under "donors" of art on the site for the "National Gallery of Canada' there is a section on donors of work and Anthony Batten's name come up there in the alphabetical listing. He is listed under the "A.J. Casson Award" a Wikipedia file as the 1996 winner. Also listed under the "Canadian Society of Painters in Water Colour", again a Wikipedia site, as a past president.

Anthony Batten is listed under the "Royal Collection Project" yet again a Wikipedia site as one of the artists in the 1985 folio of sixty works. Also listed under the data base of the "Archives of the Government of Ontario" as having a work in the Governments Art Collection. Last, but not least, he is listed in the data base of the "Ontario Society of Artists" as being an elected member (as of January 1- 2012).

Please tell me how these are not verifiable. A bad article? I disagree totally.

I will try to provide another reliable secondary source (though I think there are enough), and will link internally to the Wikipedia sites once the article is approved. Please approve. Thank you.

Artisforme (talk) 18:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)


 * You should add those references to the article draft, not just present them here. But the Governor General's information about Batten's Golden Jubilee Medal is minimalistic, and I don't think the entity giving an award is a secondary source on that award anyway. It may serve to verify the award, but it is not what we require to establish Batten's notability. The same goes for the alphabetical donor list at the National Gallery and the entry in the Ontario Art Collection - that is not significant coverage. I couldn't find a reliable source about Batten's contributions to the Royal Collection Project; Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. I didn't look for sources on the A.J. Casson Award or his presidency of the CSPWC, but again we'd need a reliable secondary source, not a Wikipedia article. Finally, the Ontario Society of Artists is once again a primary source on its own members. What I meant by "bad" articles was "insufficiently supported by reliable secondary sources". This article is insufficiently supported, and the new sources you point out don't really change that. I become ever more convinced that good sources on Batten should exist - news articles, for example - but we'd have to actually find them. The draft lists the Canadian Who's Who in the bibliography; that would probably be a reliable secondary source, but currently it's not used as a reference. If some of the other bibliography entries are about Batten, not by Batten, they might also help, depending on what (and how much) they have to say about him. Huon (talk) 03:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ballyhannon Castle (aka Castlefergus)
Hi,

For my article to be accepted I have been asked the following: 'Please cite your sources so the information can be verified - you can find what information you need to include at Wikipedia:Citing_sources#What_information_to_include'

In 'References' at the bottom of my article I have listed all the sources so that the history of this castle can indeed be verified. If I have done this insufficiently, do please outline what more I need to do and I will certainly attend to it.

Best regards,

CorneliusWilliam (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)Cornelius WilliamCorneliusWilliam (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Firstly, you should use real footnotes, but that's just a matter of editing. Secondly, your references are too short of information to be of much help. For example, what is "I.M. no. 78"? I just tried a Google search and got results ranging from The Supreme Court from Taft to Burger via Lloyd's register of shipping and The language of the Papago of Arizona to Studies on the history of medieval Sicily and South Italy, but nothing seemed relevant to an Irish castle. Is "Weir p66" Alison Weir, and if so, which of her books would I have to look at? Our readers shouldn't have to guess like that. Without both author and title, for journals also the full title of the journal and not just the initals (maybe the initials might do for the NEJM or the WSJ, but not for much less well-known publications), identifying the work will be somewhere between exceedingly difficult and impossible. Huon (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2012 (UTC)