Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2012 October 31

= October 31 =

formatting request
Hello. I would like some help with formatting the new entries and rewrites of my entry. Huon and other editors have kindly helped me to this point. However, I can't figure out how to properly cite my new references. I had originally submitted an entry with 53 references. Huon added formatting which unfortunately I'm not familiar with. I've tried to figure it out, with no success. Could you kindly fix the formatting for me? Please note that I have not yet updated the long reference list at the bottom. Thanks Rollingwagon (talk) 04:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I've formatted the references and replied at lenght at your talk page. Huon (talk) 23:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again Huon Rollingwagon (talk) 22:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Peter Prior (Gulumba)
This badly needs to be re-evaluated. There is not a single article written by the Author about the Author cited. This man is the first Australian Aboriginal to shoot a white Australian (notably one of such high status as a Superintendent) and be treated equally by the Courts. There are several Court Cases cited, as well as at least one PhD Thesis. This is not minor history, nor is it under attributed or unreferenced. I am happy to add in more detail, but this man deserves to be as well known within Australia as Mabo.Aaron1975 (talk) 08:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe the source that the reviewer meant is this: Prior, P, 1982 'Early History of Palm Island' in Aboriginal & Islander Catholic Council: Let's Rewrite Our History (9th Annual Conference, Brisbane, 4-7 January, 1982), p.40. At a glance that does look like a source written by Prior himself although he died a few years earlier. I'm pretty sure the 1930 'Statement to Inquest into the Death of Robert Curry' is by Prior himself (who by the way is called Pryor by most of the contemporary sources), and that statement's author is also given as "Prior, P". You should probably give the full first names to avoid such confusion. Anyway, Prior's statement and the court documents (which don't mention this Prior at all) are considered primary sources; Wikipedia content should not be based on such sources. Quite a few of the other sources don't mention Prior either. And Wikipedia requires published sources, making the heavily-used unpublished BA thesis unsuitable. And quite a few claims in the draft aren't supported by sources at all; "hero" is an opinion Wikipedia shouldn't endorse; there's no indication in either the draft or its sources (as far as I've read them) of Prior's pursuit of native title, and the source for his descendants doesn't say they're his descendants.
 * In summary, Prior seems notable, but I'd suggest getting rid of most of the problematic sources - the contemporary newspapers that do mention Prior and Watson's thesis seem the best we have. Prior's statement for the police currently only serves as source for a quote from that statement; that's an appropriate use of a primary source. But what cannot be confirmed by the sources should be removed. Huon (talk) 13:17, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Giorgio Madia
I reworked the references by using the template tool, added some more reliable sources like they have been suggested, found some more and similar references, and removed those, containing "only" production details. I hope it's better now! And I'm sorry in case I put this request and comment twice now. I was just not sure about the right "channel" to put the reworked article ... ;) Thank you for your support!Staatsballett Berlin (talk) 10:41, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello. I've had a look at the article. The new references are a great improvement. They establish notability and are to reliable independent sources. I'm going to move the article onto the encyclopedia shortly. It will take a few minutes. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 12:42, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

about new articles
I have some poems composed be myself. These have not been yet published in any source. So if I write them here, is there any probability to be used them by others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dev Kumar Tiwari (talk • contribs) 14:16, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Short answer: No. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of poetry, and an encyclopedia article on a poem that has not been published elsewhere would be considered original research and unsuitable for Wikipedia. The Poetry Wiki may be a better venue. Huon (talk) 14:24, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

North Woods Law (TV series)
Hi, I just created a Wiki article for a tv show called North Woods Law and it didn't pass the review because copyright infringement, but I work for the the show and my boss the (show runner) asked me to make it. How can I resubmit the page without it being seen as copyright infringement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnCoffee64 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all you may want to read our guideline on conflicts of interest. It may be better to wait until someone not involved with the show writes an article.
 * Regarding the copyright issue: Wikipedia publishes free content that's available under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License. The copyright holder may release the text under that license (see WP:Requesting copyright permission for details; an example release form is given at Declaration of consent for all enquiries), but usually it's easier to just rewrite the text in your own words than to bother with the copyrighted text.
 * Wikipedia content must be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as reviews published in newspapers or TV magazines. That disqualifies Animal Planet's website anyway. We require significant coverage in such sources, both to establish the show's notability and to allow our readers to verify the article's content. The draft's only independent source was a very short blurb from TV Guide; that's probably the kind of routine coverage every TV program receives and not significant enough (and "significant coverage" usually means "more than just a single source" anyway).
 * Furthermore, the draft's tone was more reminiscent of an advertisement than an encyclopedia article: "Each punch of the time clock is a ticket to extreme danger and drama"? Says who? That would either need a source backing it up (and preferably a source relating that statement to the TV show) or it would have to be rewritten or removed.
 * In summary, my suggestion is that if you intend to write that article yourself you should make doubly sure that your draft is based on independent reliable sources and that it is written from a neutral point of view - I'd abandon the current version outright and start over from scratch. Huon (talk) 20:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Red Velvet Boys
Greg Longstaff:Greg Longstaff was originally from the small town of Beech Creek, Pennsylvania. Greg Longstaff went to the Central High school where he was voted prom king in 1971. Greg Longstaff was a notorious "Player" in high school and was rumored to have dated every attractive woman in his graduating class. Longstaff went on to attend the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill were he met Vente Johnson and Mark Flattery, who would go on to become the other members of The Red Velvet Boys. Vente Johnson: Vente Johnson was a shy child from Bowlegs, Oklahoma. Johnson attended Bowlegs High School, where he began to break out of his shell by dating the Senior Prom Queen his freshman year. Johnson would go on to date over 65 women in his four year tenure at Bowlegs High School. Vente Johnson suave, laid back personality made him the first unanimous pick for prom king in Bowleg's High School history. Vente Johnson received a full scholarship to Harvard University but instead chose to attend the University of North Carolina in 1972. Mark Flattery: Mark Flattery was widely known as the most reserved of The Red Velvet Boys. Flattery came from a city near Cleveland, Ohio called Chagrin Falls. There he attended Kenston High School and found time to be the captain of the basketball team, salutatorian, and prom king in 1971. Despite receiving a basketball scholarship from Dartmouth University, Mark Flattery attended the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. History: Although the true beginning of The Red Velvet Boys is unknown, it is known that the three men became acquainted with each other on October 11th, 1972 at fraternity party in Chapel Hill. The three men lived in southern campus of Chapel Hill and quickly became good friends. Campus life for The Red Velvet Boys was very entertaining. Their extraverted personalities quickly gained them great popularity and notoriety on campus. Needless to say all three of The Red Velvet Boys were notorious for the attractive women they dated. In an interview with Vente Johnson, an NBC reported asked Johnson why he chose Chapel Hill over Harvard University in which he replied, " Have you seen the women at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill?" The group gained notice at a greater level when Greg Longstaff began dating the 1973 Miss Universe Margarita Moran and Mark Flattery began to date Rina Messinger. The group quickly became popular socialites and were regularly asked to attend parties and events all along the East and West coast. Greg Longstaff cemented the Red Velvet Boy name when he was voted the sexiest man alive in 1975. Vente Johnson and Mark Flattery both earned this award following Longstaff in 1976 and 1977. In 1976 when Vente Johnson revealed his relationship with Patsy Wood, Miss North Carolina 1971, and Peter Longstaff( Greg Longstaff's brother) announced his four week relationship with Susie Proffitt, The Red Velvet Boys became household names as the first true playboy socialites.


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152.23.250.240 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:10, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a copy of your draft. What exactly do you need help with?
 * I had a look at the draft and noticed that none of its three sources (the fourth link apparently is broken) mention the Red Velvet Boys at all. To be considered notable a topic must have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles. I failed to find sources on my own. Without such coverage we cannot accept the submission. Huon (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Request to upload a picture
Please see Wikipedia talk:Files for upload. Thanks, Amqui (talk) 23:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * What exactly do you need help with? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation would be the best place to inform members of this WikiProject of the discussion, but I don't quite see the relevance. Huon (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)