Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2013 July 23

= July 23 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Jamie (Jay) Unwin
Hi why isn't my page being submitted?Jayjay1227 (talk) 08:45, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You have not supplied any references to reliable sources. I've had a look myself, and found a Motorsport News source that confirms Unwin tested in Formula 3 here. Our notability guidelines for motorsport figures generally agree that motor sport participants are notable if it they have competed in a "fully professional series". My opinion, though, is that while many highly notable racing drivers such as Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna and David Coulthard progressed through F3 during their early careers, I don't think it can really be classed as a completely pro contest, let alone somebody who only tried out for F3 as opposed to actively competed. You might have more success asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport.  Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   09:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Varsha1990/cartoon_character_PRince
Hi

The above article has been declined three times for notability and reference reasons. This article is about the cartoon character, which was launched by Former President of India.

In one of his speeches, he has also made reference about this character and wanted the cartoonists to create characters like 'common man and prince'. 'Common man' is another cartoon character in India published by Times of India. PRince cartoons are being published every month. Even Former Indian President himself is the fan of this cartoon character.

I am not able to understand who else can be the better person than the former President of India, world's largest democracy. Since the editors are from other countries, probably, they do not understand the significance and importance of such highest position.

I have also given third party references. Even the current Chief Minister of a North Indian State has also praised this. All the references have been given. Now, I am in a confused state as to how to convince your editors about the notability. It is sad that even Former Indian President is treated as an insignificant reference. Can you please independently review and guide me. Varsha1990 Varsha 11:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Notability is not inherited, and not everything endorsed by the former President of India requires an encyclopedia article of its own. Here the third-party coverage is very thin; for example, the Wall Street Journal doesn't discuss the character at all, and many of your sources are primary sources of one kind or another (say, the ezine publishing the comic). My suggestion would be to not write a stand-alone article, but to add a paragraph on the comic strip to the article on the ezine. Huon (talk) 12:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks @Huon for your suggestion. As suggested by you, I will include a para on the ezine, instead of a separate article.  thanks again for your guidance.  Varsha1990 Varsha 12:11, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Joyou
Hello there,

I'm trying to create a page about a Chinese manufacturer of faucets and sanitary fittings. As a publicly listed company employing 3,000 people they meet Wikipedia's relevance criteria, and I tried to reference as much as possible from 3rd party sources. Still, my submission was rejected. Do you have any specific advice what I could further improve? Edits welcome.

Cheers, --Pfandtasse (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The company looks notable - a quick news search reveals this that states Joyou are the market leaders in China and there are several other news hits. So I'd hope your article passes at some point. The main thing I'd focus on at the moment is the article mainly concentrates on its funding and market share, which is a bit lop sided. Try writing a bit more about what Joyou is, what specifically it makes, and what people think of it. Since they were the official sponsors of the 2008 Olympics, there should be plenty of quotes about their product range from various news sources, I would have thought. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   12:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Ritchie, first of all thank you very much for your advice. I'll try to extend the article the way you suggested. I shied away from mentioning products because I did not want it to appear too promotional. Would you recommend me to create a "products" section? Can you point me to a best practice? Again, thanks for helping me out. --Pfandtasse (talk) 14:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I've had a look around for examples. The nearest in terms of industry to Joyou are things like B&Q, Focus DIY and Wickes, but looking at those, they seem to also have corporate information, and nothing else. However, they're not necessarily ideal examples of a high quality Wikipedia article, for which you need a good or featured article. If you want an example of a good article about a multinational corporate, that balances products and finance, reading KFC might give you some ideas. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   16:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Liam Middleton
Hi I've had my submission declined twice but I don't know why. Please could you advise? Thanks. Sian SianKrotiuk (talk) 12:47, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * For biographies of living persons we have especially strict citation standards. It's not enough to simply list the sources at the end of the article, but (especially for claims that might be considered promotional) inline citations are required. You may want to have a look at WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes. For example, I couldn't tell which source confirms that Middleton "developed the National 7s team into a recognised competitive team on the IRB World Sevens series". Huon (talk) 13:44, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Michael Irwin (Author)
Hello,

I have just written the above item, which was rejected the first time (and will be again) for having no references. As my source is the subject himself and the information here is collated for the first time by me (and of course he has no auto/biography yet, being a relatively new - but crucially, published - author), I do not have any source to refer to. I would be grateful if you would advise.

Thanks,

Desi

Desivanb (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The good news for you is that an Emeritus Professor of a major university probably means that Irwin is inherently notable under point 5 of our notability guidelines for academics, and in fact, you have more sources than you realise - a google search of "site:kent.ac.uk Michael Irwin" reveals many hits, most obviously this one that confirms his post. is something of an expert on this topic, and can probably also advise you on sources (such as WorldCat) that will verify his bibliography too.  Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   15:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DARE: Accepting the Challenge of Trusting Leadership
In regards to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/DARE: Accepting the Challenge of Trusting Leadership, I am a bit confused about why my submission was declined. Based on the short explanation of the rejection, it seems that you all want sources that are not directly associated with the subject in mention. However, I have two very strong sources that are not connected to the book at all. Also, the remaining sources that are related to the subject can not be accessed anywhere other than Scott's website because they are all print versions or they are radio interviews. I followed your guidelines and I am frustrated that this request was not accepted. I have gone through several existing Wikipedia pages with less relevant subjects that have even less sources. What edits should I make to see that this goes through? Should I remove all references other than the two not related to the subject?

Pmcgonnigle (talk) 16:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Patrick McGonnigle


 * The first four sources are, in order, an interview with the author, the author's website, another page on the author's website, and a book award website. The last of those four arguably is independent of the book, but it's still a primary source on the award and doesn't cover the book in any detail. The author's web pages are a screenshot of a one-sentence "review" and of an Amazon sales rank. The "review" is hardly significant coverage, and Amazon is not a reliable source. That leaves us with the fifth source Forbes, which is a reliable third-party source but which again doesn't cover the book in any detail. In particular, it doesn't say anything about "embracing honesty" and thus doesn't even confirm the sentence it is cited for. I'd say we'd need some reviews that discuss the book in some detail, or maybe newspaper articles about it. Huon (talk) 23:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christopher Herbert, baritone
Hello, I have submitted an article for review on Christopher Herbert. The current title of the article is "Christopher Herbert, baritone". I'd like to change the title of the article to simply, "Christopher Herbert". I do not see a way to change the article title in the editing section. Thank you very much for your help and attention to this question. Regards, Jamie Van Eyck — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvaneyck (talk • contribs) 19:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

✅ Done. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:36, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Citation Question for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Outsell
On the article for Outsell which has since been approved and posted, it lists the following at the top:

This article uses bare URLs for citations. Please consider adding full citations so that the article remains verifiable. Several templates and the Reflinks tool are available to assist in formatting. (Reflinks documentation) (June 2013)

We have since fixed the issue but do not know how to go about getting that alert removed now that it has been fully reviewed and posted. Please inform. Thank you!

Ameuwissen (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Ameuwissen

✅ done. Removed cleanup template at top of page. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:08, 23 July 2013 (UTC)