Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2013 July 29

= July 29 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MAGES Institute of Excellence
Hi, after repeatedly trying to submit a Wikipedia Article about 'MAGES Institute of Excellence', the reason for the most recent rejection is 'This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources' whereas all the sites currently referenced are from very reliable sources. Please let me know what the next step of action should be? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magic345 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Your sources, evaluated in order -
 * Self published profile on a website - not independent or reliable
 * This may be reliable, but it's borderline - it looks almost self-written by the MAGES school, and it doesn't have anyone's name (a reporter, whoever wrote the story, etc.) behind it.
 * An information page, not significant coverage (maybe a reliable source, depending on what it's used for)
 * An advert, self made. Not reliable.
 * Finally, a self made advert.
 * Thus, we're left with two instances of possibly reliable sources, one of which is nowhere near significant coverage. That's not enough to establish notability by Wikipedia's standards. ~ Charmlet -talk- 03:13, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Pentecostal Lam Hon Kwong School
This is just a translation of its relevant Chinese version.

Db368 (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a long standing precedent that secondary schools (broadly equivalent to a US high school or a UK grammar school) are considered inherently notable and all is required is a source proving they genuinely exist. The guideline for notability of high schools has more information. I'll pass your article now. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   10:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/SA-China People's Friendship Association
Hi,

I submitted this article last week and was declined for not adequately supported by reliable sources. But I think I did put a lot of reference onto the page. Could you please tell me that how I can make it be well supported by reliable sources? Thank you! Rider Chou (talk) 07:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of dealer24x7.com
why my page is deleted? how to improve my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajlcet001singh (talk • contribs) 07:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * User:Stalwart111 explained why your page was deleted here. Until you supply significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources, it's unlikely your submission will be passed for the same reasons, I'm afraid. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   10:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk: European Biogas Association/Eba2009
Dear, Thank you for the review and comments. Could you please be more specific in terms of what referencing is expected? Thanks again. Eba2009 (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)Eba2009Eba2009 (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles or articles in reputable magazines. The Renewable Enery Magazine sources you cite sound like regurgiated press releases and don't report on the company; they only report what the company says about itself. The footnotes are just a collection of primary sources such as conference websites; those cannot help establish that the EBA is notable enough for an encyclopedia article.
 * If you're associated with the EBA, as your username suggests, you may also want to have a look at our guideline on conflicts of interest. Huon (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/District Councils' Network
I have created a submission currently titled Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/District Councils' Network. It has been reviewed and declined three times with the same explanation, that citations to secondary sources have been added that are entirely independent of the subject.

However in the edit there are citations which are independent of the subject in the article. For example references 1 and 3 in the article are from independent, reliable sources. Local Government Association and New Local Government Network are two independent sources which have been referenced; I do not understand why the article can not be verified with the previous comment as there are independent sources.

I have also had comments stating that the District Councils Network are a non-notable organisation when rejected. The DCN is not a non-notable organisation; they are a body recognised by Central Government in the United Kingdom, they have had evidence noted in government consultations, government ministers regularly attend their events, they are recognised within the Local Goverernment Association and have 199 councils out of 201 subscribed as members of the organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajidimond (talk • contribs) 12:39, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

May you please review this article again and if declined be specific about why.Ajidimond (talk) 10:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * All that "recognition" by other government bodies is exactly the reason why those same bodies' writings are not accepted as Independent sources. Newspapers, magazines and so on, that have no connection to any level of government at all, are the types of sources you need to use. In terms of the special meaning on Wikipedia of the term Notability there isn't necessarily any connection between "importance" and "Notability". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:44, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MichieHamlett
Hello, my submission is still not approved for submission. I've been sited to have a conflict of interest. The reviewer says, "Article creator appears to be the receptionist at this law firm." The content of the article for the firm is objective and notes independent references. The article parallels in similarity to other law firm wikipedia articles that have been approved for submission (ex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen,_Allen,_Allen_%26_Allen). What do I need to do to have this article approved for submission? Thank you. Tbyers (talk) 11:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC) Tasha


 * A conflict of interest means it is generally not a good idea to write about a topic. For example, if I suddenly became a notable musician, it would still be a bad idea for me to write an article about yourself. Have a look at An article about yourself is nothing to be proud of for some problems relating to this area. Just because another article exists on Wikipedia, it does not follow that an article should be accepted here, unless perhaps the other article in question is a good or a featured article.  Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   11:47, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Gil Gutierrez
Thanks for your guidance on that blacklisted source. One final issue that I need to fix prior to submission can you help me combine references 4. and 6. into a,b and references 3. and 9. into a, b. Appreciate all the help. Candice Michelle Lopez (talk) 14:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have run Citation Bot on the article, which automatically sorts this out, and your references should now be successfully combined. The article would appear to demonstrate that Gutierrez is notable, both with the references presented, and with a quick news search that reveals other news hits not currently used, so I have passed the article. You might want to have a chat with Dr.Blofeld, who is a bit of a musician buff and might be interested in finding further book sources to help get the article all the way up to good article status (we recently collaborated on Paco de Lucía). Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   14:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Strange layout error
In Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/2012 Motocross des Nations why is the Reflist shown above the table? In the actual text is is placed below the table. BTW does an uncontroversial "routine" sport result listing such as this require multiple independent sources like a "proper" article does? AIUI the notability of such a list is established by the "parent article" about the event. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Submitter forgot a closing bracket.  It happens to all of us.  LionMans Account (talk) 19:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/SP Jermain
Trying to insert a photo in my first Wiki page Help please RRRgr333 (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That depends on the photo. Did you take it yourself, and are you willing to release it under a free license such as the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License so that everybody can modify and re-use it for any purpose, including commercial purposes? Has it already been released under such a license by the copyright holder, or is the image so old that its copyright has expired and it's in the public domain? Then you can upload it to the Wikimedia Commons via their Upload Wizard.
 * If the image is of a deceased person, is copyrighted and not freely licensed, but no free equivalent exists, you can upload it to Wikipedia and claim fair use; use the File Upload Wizard. However, fair use images must only be used in articles, not in drafts, so you'll have to wait with that until the draft has been accepted.
 * Once it's uploaded, the picture tutorial explains how to add it to the page. Huon (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rutan & Tucker
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rutan & Tucker Can you tell us if we resubmitted this article correctly? It was resubmitted July 18th. Perhaps you are back logged. Want to make sure we did resubmit it properly on our end. Is there a place that we can check that on our end? Thank you very much! Bilder4u (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC)Bilder4u


 * You edited the page on July 18, but you didn't resubmit it. If it's resubmitted there will be a yellow "review waiting" message box. The next time you can use the blue "resubmit" buttons in the "submission declined" message boxes to resubmit the draft; I'll resubmit it for you now. Huon (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bernard Zaslav
Hi,

I am wondering why the article I submitted for the entry "Bernard Zaslav" had been declined...is there something I need to correct or do?

Bernard Zaslav is a well-known viola player in the classical music world; there has recently been a biography published about his long career.

Thank you,

Allan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiker1 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * That draft doesn't cite any sources. Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles or that published biography, and the article should cite those sources. See WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes. Huon (talk) 23:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Elder ScrollsV part IV: Azaroth(FanFic)
how do I add Links to my characters and their own backgrounds? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofthelost (talk • contribs) 23:15, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * What you really need to add are reliable sources that are independent of the subject, such as newspaper articles or reviews in reputable magazines, to establish that this piece of fan fiction is notable enough for an encyclopedia article. To be honest, I don't expect your tale satisfies our notability criteria, which would mean that we shouldn't have an article about it at all.
 * For help on links, see Help:Link. Huon (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)