Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2013 September 27

= September 27 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/M. Elizabeth Osborn
I don't yet understand how I as a registered user may just create an article through Article Wizard. I started to do that with this piece I have been revising/improving--after a rejection of its earlier draft. But then I saw the threat of something called "speedy deletion," so I chickened out and re-did the piece on AfC. Now that it is in better shape, can I just paste it over to Article Wizard? Or should I go back through the queue with all the other AfC pieces? Advice, please.KFFOWLER (talk) 00:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * AfC and the Article Wizard are the same thing. Having multiple copies of the same submission in multiple places causes confusion. So, simply edit Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/M. Elizabeth Osborn until you believe it is ready to be reviewed, then put at the top of that page to submit it for review. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Parmelia
I need some help.

I have submitted an article "The Parmelia Race, Plymouth to Perth, 1979" which has been rejected on the basis of inadequate references. In making the submission my objective was to replace the article "Parmelia Yacht Race", which contained a number of errors; both in the article and in the references. I make this claim on the basis I was the Executive Officer of The Parmelia Race Management Committee in 1979 and I have recently spent considerable time helping the Royal Perth Yacht Club update its Parmelia Race archives.

Then I went back to the "Parmelia Yacht Race" page and discovered major changes were made on 20 September, 2013. Whilst the changes addressed some of the errors in the original article there are still errors, and some of these errors are contained in the references; the media doesn't always get their stories 100% right.

I made the decision to edit the "Parmelia Yacht Race" page and spent some time yesterday doing so. Then in the "save" process I messed up and the submission disappeared. Today I have addressed this process again. At the end of the arduous process (I have lengthened the story substantially) I saved it, only to find only part of the article was saved. I also reviewed the edits and made some more changes and saved these. Again I was floored to find some more of the article has disappeared.

It also appears to me I have not been addressing the reference issues correctly.

Will someone please guide me as to how to deal with the editing process.

Parmelia (talk) 02:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * (The pages being discussed are Parmelia Yacht Race and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The parmelia race). Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As a general rule, if you are finding that parts of an article have "disappeared" when you are viewing it in Reading mode, but you can see them when in Edit mode, that means there is some broken piece of coding that is trapping those bits of text. Very frequently, people start a footnote with the "ref" tag, but neglect to close the footnote with the corresponding "/ref" tag, causing WP to misunderstand and try to jam parts of the article in a footnote, or into a template that is broken and left open at the end.


 * Before concluding that something has disappeared, please check out the coding in Edit mode to see if it's in there but hidden by bad code. Also, if you accidentally delete things that existed in a previous version of the article, you can go "back in time" using the History tab to see (and open in Edit to see the coding for) every version of that page that has ever been saved. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * There is a fundamental problem here that nobody has addressed yet - replacing an existing article with a separately created new article is not allowed. You need to actually edit the already existing article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Deep Down And Dirty (Stereo MC album)
Hi. First time submitting article for creation, and I just wanted to check that I'm doing it right. The article is here and I notice that at the top of the page is a template which at the moment says "This is a draft Articles for creation submission which is not currently pending review". What do I need to do to get it reviewed? For now I'm done editing and would like to see it moved to the main space when an editor is done reviewing. Am I doing it right so far? Thank you  Rob van  vee  07:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Article not currently submitted for review" remaining on the page is a bug. It will probably get removed later. The submission is correctly submitted for review and will be reviewed in due course. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:27, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Top notch! Thanks Arthur.  Rob van  vee  09:30, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Zervas and Pepper
Hello, I just want to confirm that I have correctly submitted this article for review, as I requested 3 weeks ago and am worried I haven't done it correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.232.145 (talk • contribs)


 * Yes, it is correctly submitted for review. Three weeks is not an unusual wait time at present, as the backlog is very large, but it should improve soon. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 12:12, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Oakmeadians RFC
Hi I created the wiki page for Oakmeadians RFC and yes I used the text from our website - no coyright issues i have permission to do so.

Many Thanks

Lee Davis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.238.152.180 (talk) 13:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * If the owner of the text wishes to freely license it such that it is suitable for use on Wikipedia, you can read about how to arrange that at Donating copyrighted materials. However, most such material is better re-written in one's own words based on independent sources. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Jesse_Cale
Hello. I do not know what to do to improve the references. The most notable work Jesse Cale has done has been his work on YouTube, so the references include links to YouTube channels. Jesse teamed up with Ray Williams Johnson, who has the most subscribed to channel on YouTube, for the Your Favorite Martian videos. Jesse has also done music for Epic Rap Battles of History, another of the most popular channels on YouTube. This is very notable work! How do I properly reference it so that his page is approved? Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daddyb60 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * What we need are not references to Cale's or his collaborators' YouTube channels but to reliable third-party sources such as newspapers or reputable magazines that discuss Cale and his work in some detail. See WP:Referencing for beginners on how to cite such sources. Huon (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

George Snow
[Draft removed.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angela Findlay (talk • contribs) 21:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That was a copy of your draft, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/George Snow, which currently does not cite any sources. We cannot accept unsourced submissions. Huon (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2013 (UTC)