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= January 20 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Larry Bourne
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I included references to verify all awards and publications of Larry Bourne. However, even after reading the materials available on Wikipedia, I am not clear on what constitutes 'secondary reliable sources.' - A book review written by another party? - Another party writing about the accomplishments of Larry Bourne? Please help me by providing a more basic explanation of what is needed to expand this submission to Wikipedia requirements. I have copied the 2nd review of the article below.

''This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of people and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject.''

Thank you in advance for any help or comments.

Vivre101 (talk) 00:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nexus Interdisciplinary Books
Hi,. Thank you for reviewing my submission Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Nexus Interdisciplinary Books. Please tell me why the submission was not accepted. Thank youReginastopper (talk) 08:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The submission was declined because its only content was "This is the Talk Page for Nexus Interdisciplinary Books." Such material is not suitable to be an encyclopedia article. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 09:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Grzegorz Dorobek case
I'm trying to get my first page in wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Cars_in_Poland_with_a_right-hand_steering_wheel_%28case_C-639/11%29 I had a refusal and made the change requested, now I received a message:

" Your submission at AfC Grzegorz Dorobek case was accepted AFC-Logo.svg Grzegorz Dorobek case, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created. The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk. If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider leaving us some feedback.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia! ~KvnG 02:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC) "

But I don't get the page if I search for "Grzegoorz Dorobek" or "Grzegorz Dorobek case". I don't understand what "accepted start-class" means." Also the link to "the article's talk page" is shown red so I can't see that page.

The page now says: " This article has not been added to any categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles. (January 2014) " Isn't it in the category "European Court of Justice" through the box top right on the page.

This is an ongoing case coming to judgement and so press/media coverage will increase dramatically across Europe. I hope lots of people will be interested in reading it and lots of people may take the time to add things if there is a basic page in place. I expect to improve and extend it to some extent myself. I'd be grateful for any guidance and I'm happy to try to make any improvements requested. I'd like to avoid waiting a month between my changes and reactions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrdeavelon (talk • contribs) 08:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The article was indeed published and can be read in wikipedia at Grzegorz Dorobek case. You succeeded. It may take a day or so for it to show up in search boxes. It is, however, already searchable through Yahoo and google Rankersbo (talk) 08:34, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of User:GrimRob/Gretchen Travis
There is very little biographical information about this author, but she did exist and wrote four books (which have numerous sources). Would it be acceptable to just put the four books on the page and leave everything about the author out? At least it's a starting point which others can add to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimRob (talk • contribs) 10:43, 20 January 2014 (UTC) GrimRob (talk) 11:07, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * It is somewhat confusing, but, if two or more of her books have received multiple detailed reviews (or other critical attention) from independent reliable sources, then she is effectively notable as per NAUTHOR. So yes an article could exist that consists almost entirely of discussion of her work. Your submission should cite the sources that discuss her novels, though, not just list the novels. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Douglas Wilson (businessman)
Hi, I am new to Wiki and need help with my submission, Douglas Wilson/businessman, which was rejected. It is asking me for more credible references however I have a global website references, Make a Wish, Bloomberg, Toronto star and Sony. I'm not sure what else is needed Thumper1001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thumper1001 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Your references aren't specific enough to identify them. So for example if a piece written in the Toronto Star is being used as a source, I would normally expect the reference to include the title of the piece, the name of the journalist that wrote the piece, the page number it appeared on, and the date of publication. One or two of these items might be missing, but not all of them. It would also be useful for the reference to be an inline citation so that the reviewer can easily see which facts in the submission are supported by that particular reference. You can read more about how to format references at Referencing for beginners.


 * Secondly, I don't think www.prlog.org is a reliable source for anything (it's a free press release distribution service). And if Wilson is a Board member of Make a Wish Canada, then Make a Wish Canada is not an independent source regarding him, and thus not useful in proving his notability. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 14:09, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lloyd Northover (design consultancy)
The proposed article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Lloyd Northover (design consultancy) has not been accepted. It was deleted for reasons of copyright (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement). Much of the content was taken from an existing Wikipedia article created in 2011. All content on Wikipedia is freely copyable and reusable anywhere on the site - it is common to find paragraphs or sections used across multiple pages. Such cross-referencing is part of the point of Wikipedia. The existing article and the proposed one contain information generated by me and do not contain any copyrighted material. Lloyd Northover was a significant and influential international design consultancy of interest to the global academic and professional design communities. It deserves a place on Wikipedia. Foggywells Foggywells (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Santa Cecilia Orchestra
Hi,

I am checking to confirm that my recent article submission has is okay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie Matthews (talk • contribs) 20:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charles Mayrs
Dear Sir/Madam:

Thank you for considering our recent application for a Wikipedia page for Mr. Charlie Mayrs of West Vancouver, British Columbia. As you may have guessed, it was our first time attempting to establish such a page, and despite reading your helpful instructions beforehand, it appears we unfortunately fell a bit short of satisfying your requirements regarding proof of Mayrs’s credentials.

Although much of it is in printed form and predates the much easier internet forms of referencing, we have outlined below the considerable evidence we have subsequently assembled to confirm Mr.Mayrs’s accomplishments and standing within the community. We would greatly appreciate it if you would advise us as to how we may best employ it to satisfy your needs.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

Best regards,

Alan Davidson (acting on behalf of Mr.Mayrs)

Advertising & Public Relations Mr.Mayrs was a successful and leading member of the Vancouver & West Coast advertising community for many decades, and as such was a “go-to” person for journalists hoping to understand and explain industry trends. As proof of this high-profile aspect of Mr. Mayrs’s career, we can supply scans of original NSP articles and references (Vancouver Sun, Vancouver Province, North Shore News) and magazines such as Marketing, Equity, Business in Vancouver and Strategy) — all with articles on/quotations from CM. If desired, we can also supply samples of Mr.Mayrs award-winning creative advertising design work from his days at Dome Advertising and FCB.

Painting/Fine Art Mr.Mayrs is a prolific and accomplished painter, and over the years has had many exhibitions on the West Coast as well as in Hawaii, where he has a second home.

On this front, we are happy to supply scanned proof of original articles in magazines such as “Arts Alive”, Air Canada “Enroute”, a CM biographical listing in the reference book “Artists of British Columbia” as well as scanned proof of CM exhibitions in Vancouver (Vancouver Art Gallery) and West Coast galleries such as Woodworks, Diane Farris Gallery and Seymour Art Gallery (“Preview of the Visual Arts” and “Boulevard” arts magazines,“Plus” magazine, Vancouver Sun newspaper, North Shore News, The Moncton News, Vancouver Art Gallery catalogue). There is also proof of an 2000 exhibition on the Hawaiian island of Maui. (”Maui Art” magazine). Of course, if desired, we can also provide scanned samples of Mr. Mayrs’s paintings.

Limited Edition Books (Design, Photography, Illustration) Mr.Mayrs has conceived and published a significant number of limited edition books about the people and landscape of Canada and British Columbia. He writes and designs each one, augmenting his unique poetry and prose with his own photography, painted imagery, and graphic illustrations. They are subsequently printed using the laborious but beautiful letterpress technique, often with hand-crafted covers and special handmade papers. Copies currently reside in the reference libraries of educational institutions across Canada such as the University of British Columbia.

We can supply high resolution scans of the books themselves (or you may visit www.charlesmayrs.com to view them in their entirety), first place awards from the likes of the Alcuin Society of Canada, and feature articles in the society’s magazine “Amphora” as well as a references to jury selection in the Biennial International Miniature Print Exhibition. There are also a reference available to an earlier CM award for graphic design and personal profile in “Typography 60”, of which we have scans.

Editorial Cartoon Illustration For a number of years, Mr.Mayrs created political and social commentary cartoons for the editorial pages of the North Shore Outlook newspaper. He called them “Glimmericks”, and we are happy to supply multiple scans of these pages featuring his work as well as Letters to the Editor pages in which readers bemoan his eventual retirement from that job.

Finally, Mr. Mayrs biography may be found in two editions of the Canadian “Who's Who” reference book. (1988 & 2010). If desired, we are happy to supply high rez scans of same for your consideration.

Can you please advise as to how best to proceed? Thanks!

Enkephalon (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you back all of the above up with third-party sources that have editorial oversight and no ties to Mr. Mayrs in a neutral fashion that doesn't only suit your client's interests? — Jeremy  v^_^v  Bori! 23:42, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Photron
Hello, The article I wrote (Photron), was declined by 78.26. I wrote this article not as an advertisement but as an informative article, exactly like the one under Vision Research Phantom concerning high speed cameras. When I say exactly, I mean I used the Vision Research Phantom wiki-page as a guideline/template. It surprises me that my article is consider advertising when the Vision Research Phantom article has the same type of content. I have tried again to make neutral, rewriting and removing all that I could possibly see that could be construed at advertising. This article is on Photron as a company, just like hundreds that are on Wikipedia. I want to make sure it complies to what is needed just like the article Vision Research Phantom had complied. I wanted to ask (78.26) what is being cited as advertising in the article since the referenced provided in the decline (wiki articles) which I had read before and again don't seem to apply to the content in my article. To contact(78.26), do I open a new subject on (78.26) talk page?

Any help would be appreciated. Best, HighSpeedWizzard — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighSpeedWizzard (talk • contribs) 22:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Vision Research Phantom is not recognised as a quality article by Wikipedia, so there are no guarantees about its suitability as a guideline or template for submitting new articles. For links to recognised Good Articles about companies, see Good articles/Social sciences and society.


 * Yes, opening a new subject on their talk page would be the best way to contact them. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rani Dhavan Shankardass
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Martinjonson Hello! I have previously written an article on the global slavery expert Siddharth Kara and have just created an article on another related activist in bonded labor and prison reform, Rani Dhavan Shankardass. Please could I trouble someone to give me some feedback on the article? Thanks so much! Martinjonson (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2014 (UTC)