Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2014 June 18

= June 18 =

07:19:10, 18 June 2014 review of submission by 122.170.38.169
Hello Sir/Madam,

We have tried submitting Mr Rizwan Koita's profile here, but we faced some resistance saying that the content submitted is promotional in nature. We tried checking other similar profiles for individual wiki pages and found the language used on the similar lines. It would be of great help if you educate us regarding the concerned areas so that we can accordingly make the required changes.

Awaiting your guidance over the same.

Thanks & regards, User - Draft:Rizwan_Koita

122.170.38.169 (talk) 07:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Existing similar Wikipedia articles are of little use as examples unless they are of recognised quality. A list of recognised Wikipedia Good Articles about businesspeople can be found at Good articles/Social sciences and society. These would be better to use as examples to work from.


 * Another issue for your draft is establishing notability. If another editor's comment is correct, that a substantial proportion of the references provided do not mention Koita by name, then this may be insufficient to meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. Adding additional independent reliable sources that discuss Koita in detail would be required.


 * In addition, you should aim that the bulk of the facts stated in the article are sourced to reliable sources using inline citations. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

16:18:05, 18 June 2014 review of submission by Hiranyakeshi
Hiranyakeshi (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Declined for reliability of ref. Pl let me know how wiki judges reliability of ref. Do they read the ref? Or there is any automatic method? I am new to this subject of creation of articles and editing wiki. Pl give full guidance, esp on editing and reference acceptability criterion. Who are the administrators? What functions they have? Any qualification in the subject needed? Will revert on getting replies if still have any doubts. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Hiranyakeshi (talk • contribs)


 * Hello Hiranyakeshi. Identifying reliable sources as linked for you on your declined draft is a good place to start reading about how reliable sources are identified. www.academia.edu does not appear to satisfy Wikipedia's requirements as an established publishing house whose publications can all be assumed to be reliable. Wikipedia administrators do not have any assigned role in assessing the reliability of sources; such discussions can be contributed to by all editors. If you have any more questions just let us know. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Try reading all of these:
 * Tutorial
 * WP:FIRST
 * WP:RS
 * WP:42
 * WP:GNG
 * I've also invited you to take try the Wikipedia Adventure. After you complete that, most of your questions should be answered. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 16:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

17:50:39, 18 June 2014 review of submission by D4web
I have been having a bit of trouble getting this page submitted. It has been declined twice now due to a lack of reliable sources, but I am having trouble figuring out how the sources are unreliable. The messages from the reviewers was a bit vague and I could use the help improving the sources. Could someone please tell me which sources are being referred to as unreliable and why?

also if I have a picture to use for this post, what would be the best way to add it?

D4web (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello D4web. You only have four sources; three of them are all from the same essentially local newspaper, and the other is not independent because it is where Weller works. The decline reasons given to you were not very helpful, apologies for that. The key issue here is notability. The newspaper coverage of Weller seems to be because of the shooting incident; this would not establish notability according to our guideline ONEEVENT. VRS might give you a better idea of the sort of coverage that is needed in order to establish the notability of an individual. You also have a great many statements about Weller and his family etc. in the article that are not supported by inline citations; you should aim to have inline citations for as many of these facts as possible. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 18:06, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

17:52:59, 18 June 2014 review of submission by Bogetveit
Bogetveit (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, can I get some help to make a better layout and also put in the pictures from the <Norwegian Wikipedia site Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bogetveit (talk • contribs)
 * This isn't the place to ask for help with editing. Please visit the Teahouse and the reward board. I've tagged the article for WikiProject Military History but I can tell you now this is essentially unsourced. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 21:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

21:22:28, 18 June 2014 review of submission by D4web
I've been working on putting this article together and it had been denied before due to lack of references. I went through and did some heavy research to get more sources and I feel like it's ready to resubmit, but I'd like to get a pair of eyes on it beforehand. Are their any places were the references are insufficient? I also have a photo to use for the page, but don't know how to add it. I've gotten permission from the author to use the photo I just need to know how to add it.

Thanks!

D4web (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


 * First, adding lots of inline citations to material written by Weller is of little or no help in proving notability. In fact it may only confuse things. What you need to add is more inline citations to independent reliable sources that are written about Weller.


 * Second, permission from the photographer to use the photo on Wikipedia is not enough; they would need to agree to the conditions at Donating copyrighted materials. (It may be easier to work on getting the article accepted first, and worry about the photo later.) Arthur goes shopping (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The dozen citations from the Reno Journal-Gazette are all about the incident where he was shot. Being notable for one event is not notability here. I don't think the subject passes general notability with those sources about the shooting. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 22:00, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help today, I really appreciate it. I think I get what you guys are talking about. I'll read over the material you gave me again and see what I can do.

D4web (talk) 22:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

23:30:56, 18 June 2014 review of submission by Philraymusic
Philraymusic (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Philraymusic


 * No independent reliable sources therefore not suitable as a Wikipedia article. See VRS for what you need. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 07:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)


 * To expand on what Arthur mentioned, we need evidence of why Ray Parker is important enough to be listed in an encyclopedia. I see a claim that he was a member of the Washington D.C National Symphony Orchestra, but that generally isn't in itself significant enough. Did he have any mentions in the national press or make any widely distributed recordings? I had a look for sources and while it doesn't help that there's the far more notable Ray Parker, Jr., I found this entry in The Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz - is that anything to do with him? PS: Arthur - don't forget to use AFCHD/u to notify someone that you've replied on the help desk. Ritchie333  (talk)  (cont)   09:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)