Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2014 March 16

= March 16 =

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Emmanuel Séjourné
Hello, I am writing to you because the article on Emmanuel Séjourné that I wrote has been refused on the basis of the non-importance of the musician, even though all the required criterias concerning the artist have been fulfilled. I disagree with the evaluating person's (Drmies) opinion on my article, and I would like to request that the be verified by someone who does have a thorough knowledge in the field of contemporary percussion music. Drmies stated that there weren't any reliable secondary sources. Emmanuel Séjourné's presence on the internet though is abundant. Many an article can surely be found in the English paper editions as well, in the same way they do in France and Luxemburg, for exemple - me or Drmies not being able to find them doesn't mean that somebody else won't - one of the main concepts of Wikipedia is to improve the articles through the contribution of its worldwide community, because it is not always possible for one person to find all the resources by themselves... I do agree with Drmies that a long list of works might seem too imposing. The principle of an encyclopedia though being to give as thorough information as possible, and all Séjourné's works having been played frequentlly, in many countries, I chose not to be judgemental and list them all. Many other composers have their complete works listed as well.

In case the above arguments might not be convincing, I include a list of other reasons supporting my point, and which can be easily checked with any specialist in the domain:

- Emmanuel Séjourné is known to be one of the two key figures in today's mallet percussion field in France, along Eric Sammut (I can say it with conviction, being a percussionist myself). He has been an advisor for the French ministry of culture in that matter, he has won a European audiovisual award, and has been performing and teaching all over France - the best orchestras and conservatories ask him to play or compose for them, and the additional proofs for it can be found all over the internet.

- he is also a worldwide renowned performer and composer in the domain. Many well-known institutions, orchestras, and musicians have him play with or compose for them. The proofs other than those in my article can also be easily found all over the internet.

- he has given numerous masterclasses all over the world, in the best music academies on all continents; he regularly sits in the juries of numerous international percussion competitions, and his works are regularly being listed as reference repertoire.

- his press book contains several dozens of articles dating from the 80's up to now, he's mentioned in a French reference manual on the contemporary music, published by a big French publishing house, Fayard, and I've even found a thesis written on his music.

- he's recorded several CDs with well-known labels such as Universal, Biber REcords, or Classic Concert Records, and his works are being sold by the well-known editors such as Honeyrock, Norsk Musikforlag, or Alfonce Production.

- finally, any specialist in contemporary percussion music will confirm that it is not "just another hardworking musician", as Drmis, who has refused my article, suggested...

And last but not least, my French, original version of the article (which I translated into English myself) has been accepted with a great deal of approval from the correction board. Which leaves me even more astonished to see the English version rejected, the admission requirements being the same. I regret not to be able to find any English books edited on the subject - being based in France, I have a limited acces to language resources other than the French ones. But I am sure that once my article is online, the contributions on the English ressources will follow...

All this taken into account, I will be very grateful if someone specialized in the sector of music I'm writting about accepts to check my article once again. I will be also happy for any advice on how to improve the article.

Thank you for your help, --Escrivendi (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Escrivendi. I have accepted the draft as there are enough references to support criteria 5 of WP:MUSBIO. The article is at Emmanuel Séjourné. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

wrong online title
For the entry American National Catholic Church (ANCC), it's been mislabeled Independent Catholic Chuches, so when one searches for American National Catholic Church, it doesn't show up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KStephen60 (talk • contribs) 19:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Categories don't affect how searches work on Wikipedia's main page. When I search for "American National Catholic Church" from Wikipedia's main page, I am correctly taken to American National Catholic Church.


 * Is there a reason this article should not be in the Independent Catholic Churches category? Arthur goes shopping (talk) 14:00, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/TierPoint, LLC
Can someone please give me guidance on how to improve my article to get it accepted? I was told it was declined for two reasons, it could be viewed as spam as it was promotional, although I took great care to avoid any promotional language and simply wrote a primarily chronological overview of a U.S. corporation that is emerging in the IT industry. I was also told my subject, TierPoint, wasn't notable enough although I can quickly produce dozens of very similar corporations that are currently included in Wikipedia. I did not include recent coverage of TierPoint in two major trade publications as I thought that may be too promotional but would gladly add those links under references if it would help. Any guidance on how to improve my article to make it acceptable would be much appreciated. Thank you! Patrickjay2 (talk) 21:28, 16 March 2014 (UTC)Patrickjay2


 * It is not useful to use other existing articles in Wikipedia as examples to work from (or reasons for inclusion of a new topic) unless they are articles of recognised audited quality, for example Good Articles or Featured Articles. You can find Good Articles about commercial companies at Good articles/Social sciences and society.


 * Saying that one of the company's staff is a "guru" and "pioneer" might be viewed as promotional.


 * Which sources do the listings of facilities come from? Has any of the material in your article submission been copied and pasted directly from one of the sources?


 * It would probably be useful to format your references as inline citations, and also to provide more information about what each one is. Read Referencing for beginners for more information on how to do that.


 * I haven't looked through all of your references, but in general BusinessWeek company or person profiles are not useful for proving the notability of any subject, because the material is most often provided by the company or individual themselves.


 * Coverage in trade publications would probably be useful for proving notability. Given the apparent size and nature of the organisation, it does seem to me likely that it will be notable by Wikipedia's standards. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 12:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)