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= September 29 =

The Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri hole discussion from 24 Setemper 2014.

The Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri article page has been deleted, It is a genuine article it will not be deleted. Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri is a Writer or Author and also he was published many articles and book namely "Padmashri Sayyid Ahmedullah Qadri ki Tahqiqui, Sahafati, Siasi aur Samaji Qidmat 1909 to 1985” the news was published in Siasat Daily Urdu Newsparper why your admin deletion the article i don't no. The Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri article is not for advertising or promotion firstly. I think the article deleted because he is a Urdu writer,In Wikipedia is a role for only English writer update the articles. The Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri is a Urdu Writer and his article published in Urdu Newspapers which was I given references in article. If your admin people don't no urdu or other languages what can i do. I have newspapers cuttings if you want for prove I'll upload it. kindly insert the Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri article display it back. if you have any doubt please clarify from me. This is my first article, if i did any mistake in article kindly guide me. Bearcat (talk | contribs)05:18, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The article

The very first thing I have to recommend that you do is to read our conflict of interest policy, specifically the parts which strongly militate against starting an article about yourself. We're not a social networking site on which anybody is entitled to keep a profile; we're an encyclopedia with inclusion and content standards that your article, as written, was not meeting: This doesn't mean that you can never qualify for an article on here — it just means you're not entitled to keep that version as written and sourced. If it's really that important to you to have an article on here, you can always try the WP:AFC process so that you're getting feedback along the way about the improvements that are or aren't necessary to make it keepable — but the article has to follow our rules to be kept on here. The language that valid newspaper sources are written in isn't a problem — as long as we have somebody around here who can read the language that the sources are in, sources in any language are acceptable as long as they're valid and reliable ones — but you have to avoid sourcing to the types of references I listed above in point #2. Hope that helps a bit. Bearcat (talk) 16:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) The writing tone was significantly advertising-oriented rather than encyclopedic.
 * 2) A lot of the referencing you added was to invalid and unreliable sources — for example, you cannot "reference" content on Wikipedia to other Wikipedia articles, to Mashpedia, to speedydeletion.wikia.com, to Facebook posts or to YouTube videos.
 * 3) And finally, the article as written was devoting far more time and space to biographical sketches of your grandfather, your father and your kids than it was to explaining why you might belong in an encyclopedia. Your relatives aren't the topic of the article — so the article shouldn't spend more time talking about them than it does about you (that's what we call a WP:COATRACK.)

As per your suggestion, rules and regulations. I'll insert the same plz upload back my article, so I will change it (thanks)(talk) 16:12, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Sayyid, please do not use helpme unless you have a question. I have removed the helpme template for now, please only use that template only when you have a question. However if you do have a question, you can reuse the template. Thanks. Darylgolden(talk) 08:37, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Question

how can i get back my article, Shall I create back or admin will do the same article of Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri, I make some changes in Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri/Sandbox plz check it or suggest and gudie me. because this is my first article in Wikipedia, I'm requesting you to kindly allow me to upload back my article, I hope you will allow me, i'll thanfull to you forever.
 * You can find the cache here hope this will help you. Cheers! &#8212;  C ute st Penguin Hangout 13:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Question
I open the article here, but my article not get back, so what can i do to get back my article plz helpme out, or ""I reopen my article plz suggest me or guide me"".

Last two weeks back my article was deleted due to above resons, as per admin suggested for remove such reference, (A lot of the referencing you added was to invalid and unreliable sources — for example, you cannot "reference" content on Wikipedia to other Wikipedia articles, to Mashpedia, to speedydeletion.wikia.com, to Facebook posts or to YouTube videos) I deleted in Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri/Sandbox my sandbox also not opening after that. How can get article back, plz suggest and guide me, or create myself again ? It is a genuine article Plz help me out.13:38, 27 September 2014  C ute st Penguin Hangout(UTC)Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri (talk) 06:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted on 24 September by . Please ask them if they are willing to restore it to the Draft: namespace for you, or to your own user space.
 * There is no need to use Helpme on this page, by the way, but it is not a problem if you do. Fiddle   Faddle  08:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The user, for the record, created two simultaneous versions of the article, one at the title "Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri" and one at the title "Sayyid Ahsanullah Qadri/sandbox". The first one was deleted, but the second one was moved back into his userspace as a sandbox page — so the page in question is already in the editor's userspace, and no new action is required here. Bearcat (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I am grateful to for this information and hope that  is making valuable progress on the item.  Fiddle   Faddle  21:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

10:53:07, 29 September 2014 review of submission by Rgrogers42
My page purechannelapps was deleted by RHaworth. This page should not have been speedily deleted because I simply followed wiki examples at other tech companies like Marketo, MarkLogic and Hearsay Social. According to section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, "an article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion." The page reads from a neutral perspective, simply drawing all the main company facts from cited material.

Rgrogers42 (talk) 10:53, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You can't point to other Wikipedia articles as an example. Much of the content on Wikipedia is problematic at best. I'm not sure why accepted your draft in the first place and since the article has been deleted, I can't see it for myself. You can always ask for your article to be returned as a draft so you can improve it. A cursory search doesn't reveal any reliable coverage of the subject, so I don't think it's worth your time to pursue it. Wikipedia is not here for advertising, anyway.  Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:51, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * can you provide any feedback as to what happened here? You shouldn't be accepting drafts that meet speedy deletion criteria. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * As far as I can remember, the article was an easily notable company. Rgrogers42 had included good references. So I don't understand why the article was deleted.--Mjs1991 (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you help explain this deletion? Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 03:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Restored. If it is fit for mainspace, someone other than Mjs1991 to take that decision. Rgrogers42, kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no COI thinks your company is notable and writes about it here. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

13:26:41, 29 September 2014 review of submission by 72.198.79.136
72.198.79.136 (talk) 13:26, 29 September 2014 (UTC) were do youll live
 * Per WP:WEBCRIT, most YouTubers are not notable. You have to provide multiple independent reliable sources to make a claim of notability. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 17:40, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

18:05:57, 29 September 2014 review of submission by Edendiss
My page "learning at home and in the hospital" has been deleted for violating copyright. The terms I wrote there are definitions. As such, there is no point in restructuring the phrases in order to mean the same. Definitions are definitons for being what they are. I just can't imagine how to recreate those 2-3 sentences to keep the exact same meaning but with different words, this is just a pointless thing to ask. I ask you to re-review it with keeping in mind that those are definitions. Edendiss (talk) 18:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)edendiss Edendiss (talk) 18:05, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Copyright violation is an absolute no go area. What you need to do is to use the source you copied as a reference, in this case even if it is not a WP:RS. Read WP:PRIMARY and you will understand how limited use of primary sources may be made. But no-one will re-review a draft that is a copyright violation. Your own words are required. Fiddle   Faddle  20:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Timtrent, thanks for your reply! I still need advice on what you mean "use the source as a reference". I put that website I used among references, is that what you mean? I read that wp:primary section you recommended, but it didn't give me a clue about HOW to do what you advised.

the other thing, a general queston about violating copyright: When I reformulated the phrases, it still denied to upload it, so I don't know what to do when you want "my own words". How much of the content can be formed the same way as it was in another website (which is among the references)? Do I have to find completelly different grammatical solutions, too, or is it enough to replace the words with synonimes? Since I am not a native English speaker, this is quite a problem, recreating an existing perfect text to keep the exact same meaning. How deeply do I have to do it? And again, what happens if any wikipedia content is further used later in any website we create later? thanks Edendiss (talk) 14:16, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Edendiss


 * The reuse aspect is easy. Wikipedia material may, with correct attribution, be reused anywhere.
 * Being a non native speaker is a difficult thing, and I understand your difficulty with re-wording and keeping the same sense. I cannot solve your challenge, but others may be able to. I suggest you ask at the online chat service (linked from the decline notice on your talk page, I think) and work out a solution
 * Those were the "easy" parts to answer. The other element is more complex. Let me try to do it in an abstract manner. Let me assume that the text in the website you wish to quote says "this long piece of text that I am using as an example, even though it is not long at all", and that you wish to use it to show a point in your article text. I am going say that your article text that you wish to use is "This is the article text and it has within it this long piece of text that I am using as an example, even though it is not long at all"
 * That would be a copyright violation if the text were truly long, not a short snippet. What I suggest you do is to use it as a reference. I would format it thus:
 * This is the article text, and I am referencing it "
 * The text above looks like this:
 * My example is imperfect. It requires use within the pair of templates such at cite web. Other editors here will have better ways of explaining this, and I ask them to join in answering you. Reading WP:CITE will help you Fiddle   Faddle  14:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My example is imperfect. It requires use within the pair of templates such at cite web. Other editors here will have better ways of explaining this, and I ask them to join in answering you. Reading WP:CITE will help you Fiddle   Faddle  14:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * My example is imperfect. It requires use within the pair of templates such at cite web. Other editors here will have better ways of explaining this, and I ask them to join in answering you. Reading WP:CITE will help you Fiddle   Faddle  14:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Timtrent, could you also explain what exactly I must do if i want to put the original source under public domain? How can I do that? Sorry, but it is not clear from the relevant Wiki page what is a public domain and how can my site become a public domain in order to avoid copyright problems when citing from it in my WIKI article. thanks! Edendiss (talk) 10:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)Edendiss

18:11:36, 29 September 2014 review of submission by Dorisebrown
Needed to know what was wrong with my article. I know I have not done the references yet, but please advise. Doris E Brown 18:11, 29 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dorisebrown (talk • contribs)


 * There are a number of issues with your draft, including lack of references, and a very promotional tone.


 * However, the biggest issue is that we already have an article about this company: Alcoa Tenn Federal Credit Union. You can work to improve this existing article, but be advised most of what you have in your draft cannot yet be used because it lacks references, and has an inappropriately promotional tone. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:50, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

18:16:49, 29 September 2014 review of draft by WillySchmidtHild
Hello everybody, I need some help! I edited this page: Wilhelm schmidthild And as you can see it should be written: Wilhelm Schmidthild capital "S"

Can anyone delete the old page und change it into Wilhelm Schmidthild? That would be perfect!

I am German and I already made a German article about Schmidthild who is one of my ancistors. This article is interesting für English speakers because my grandfather sold a hugh number of paintings to US soldiers in the 1940s. We guess a lot of people have pictures of him hanging on the wall and don't know where the paintings are from...

regards, and thank you for the assistance.

WillySchmidtHild (talk) 18:16, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello Willy, for future reference please don't make huge moves like copy-pasting huge pieces of text, or blanking pages, etc. without asking for help first, as it's easy to make mistakes that take a little time to untangle. I've put your mis-published draft Wilhelm schmidthild up for deletion since you blanked the text, so let's just focus on Draft:Wilhelm_Schmidthild.


 * Here's the main issue: your personal research into your ancestor is not admissible. Only facts which have been published in recognized sources are admissible, otherwise people could just make up anything and claim they researched it. So while it might be okay to link to your personal family page, you cannot cite it as an authority. That being the case, please look at WP:Notability (artists), and that explains the kind of sourcing you must have if this article is to be published. Please read that policy, and ensure you have citations to books, academic journals, etc. which discuss Schmidthild and his career, impact, etc. That is required to publish the draft.


 * Again, definitely read WP:Notability (artists) and that will make our requirements very clear and easy. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)