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= April 22 =

00:39:08, 22 April 2015 review of submission by FrozenMan
I made a page called "Inclusion Cell" because the page "I Cell" was a disambiguation page that referred to two different terms "I Cell (Gastric)" vs "Inclusion Cell (Lysosomal Disease)" neither of which had pages. I think it should be split into "I Cell (Gastric)" and "Inclusion Cell (Lysosomal Disease)". If my page was rejected, will someone please make it?

FrozenMan (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Why would you not complete the work you started? Fiddle   Faddle  06:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy to. It just may take a few months for me to get the time to get around to it.


 * If you're looking for an article to be written about inclusion cells, you could always inquire at the Requested Articles space. I've never used it before but it's possible someone there would write it for you. wia (talk) 18:41, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

03:29:15, 22 April 2015 review of submission by Duals28
Duals28 (talk) 03:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Why was my draft for "Duals" page not accepted?


 * For the reason stated on the draft. Fiddle   Faddle  06:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

05:01:13, 22 April 2015 review of submission by Chloetj
How do I specify that a page I am making is a disambiguation page? Chloetj (talk) 05:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 14:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * A disambiguation page already exists at Mute. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

15:30:21, 22 April 2015 review of submission by Rebeccaawigmore
Hi, I'm trying to make my article as neutral as possible, so I've made sure to cite secondary sources for all my assertions. I've read the Identifying_reliable_sources and I'm sure all the sources are indepedendent of my subject. Is there a specific area of my article that's troubling to the Wiki policy? For me, the notability is in Accept and Proceed's use of information art in a commercial context and I've cited independent sources that agree [particularly the Guardian link http://www.theguardian.com/science/alexs-adventures-in-numberland/gallery/2014/dec/11/calendars-of-light-and-dark-that-are-data-works-of-art-in-pictures]. I'm just a little lost as to which part is problematic. Once I know, I can get to fixing it. Thanks so much for helping me! Rebeccaawigmore (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Rebeccaawigmore (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

15:44:31, 22 April 2015 review of submission by Brucenc
I am a new author. George Walther Sr. is my wife's grandfather. George has over 100 patents listed on the George Patent database including the wheel used on the US Army Liberty trucks used in World War I. My question is how to cite references for 4 documents that I have that are not available on the internet or from a current publisher. These documents are the following: 1. Geo. Walther Sr. (1954), “History of the Dayton Steel Foundry Company”, George Walther Sr., Early history of Dayton Steel Foundry Co. covers early history (first 15 years) written by founder, George Walther Sr, when he was 78 years old.

2. Dayton Steel Foundry Newsletter (1955), “The Wheel – 50th Anniversary Edition 1905 – 1955”, Dayton Steel Foundry

3. University of Dayton (1958), “A Tribute to - George Walther, Sr. - President The Dayton Steel Foundry Co. - Inventor – Industrialist – Civic Leader - 1958”, University of Dayton, Written by University of Dayton as handout document when George Walther Sr. was given an Honorary Doctor of Engineering degree by the University of Dayton in 1958

4. Dayton Steel Foundry (1961), “Tribute to George Walther Sr.”, Dayton Steel Foundry Co. – Written by Dayton Steel Foundry upon the death of George Walther Sr.

How do I cite information or pages from these documents as references?

Thanks for you assistance.

Brucenc (talk) 15:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * for the reasons explained on the draft. (The way you are citing the documents is correct, however.) Worldbruce (talk) 01:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

17:03:05, 22 April 2015 review of submission by Lizseach
Hello, This is a somewhat involved question, so bear with me. I am attempting to write an article about an academic, and I need to establish notability. This should be relatively easy. His research has "made significant impact in [his] scholarly discipline" (he has a number of very frequently cited articles in prestigious journals, and the high citation numbers are particularly remarkable given the fact that his field is relatively small); he won a major award for his first book; and his textbook is widely used, and as such, has almost certainly shaped the relatively small subfield in which he works. So far, so good. The brief account I would want to give of his career, if my article were going to be representative of that career, would basically follow this outline. Here's the problem: Although I have reliable, independent sources that demonstrate that his articles are highly cited, they are not in-depth. (His work appears on a most-cited list and in reference handbooks.) I do have one in-depth review of the textbook, and the reviewer clearly regards the book as notable, but I have not been able to find any other reviews of it, and I do not get the impression that textbooks are widely reviewed, so that doesn't seem a fruitful avenue. I also have at least a half-dozen in-depth reviews of his first book, which would easily put me over the 2-3 source quota, but I cannot figure out where/how to reference them. If I am reading the notability guidelines correctly, the sources that establish notability do not have to be cited within the article, but I cannot figure out where to put them so that the reviewer will see them and give me credit for them. My current solution is that I have written the section of the article on his first book in such a way as to require citation of those book reviews within the article itself, but this forces me to spend extra time talking about the book, which, as far as I can tell, does not deserve a disproportionate amount of coverage in comparison to the rest of his career. In other words, my attempt to include those citations seems as if it is warping the article itself. Any suggestions would be most welcome. Thank you! Lizseach (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)Lizseach

Lizseach (talk) 17:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Academics are something of a grey area as regards notability. I'm going to accept this and move it to John R. Sutton, with a copy-edit template ... mainly for the reference layout. Then if someone doubts the notability they can dispute it from there. Please trim down the articles list by at least half... that long list cannot all be his most seminal works. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 07:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * @Arthur goes shopping Thank you! I have gone back and cut the articles list by about half. How do I request to have the template removed?Lizseach (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)Lizseach


 * The references need sorting out, then the copy-edit template can just be removed. Consider perhaps formatting references more like those in Irving Gottesman. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I did the best that I could. There weren't any article examples under Gottesman, but I'm guessing you just wanted something closer to ASA?Lizseach (talk) 04:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)Lizseach


 * ASA? Do you not agree that the text Forman, S.D.; Kammen, D.P.V. (1992). "Etiology and Nosology: Schizophrenia Genesis: The Origins of Madness". American Journal of Psychiatry 149 (10): 1401–1402. provides more immediately comprehensible information to the reader about the type and nature of source it references, than the text [10], Grasmick review.?


 * However, the article is in the backlog of the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, and I am very confident that they will reformat the references and remove the copy-edit template once they get round to it. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh! Right! You are talking about the references, not the bibliography. Duh! I'm on it.Lizseach (talk) 13:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)Lizseach

20:35:46, 22 April 2015 review of submission by EvenstarNZ
Hi there, I've been working on a new article "Kacific Broadband Satellites" which is currently in review. I see that someone has done some editing on the references, and for a number of them has labelled them 'Press Release'. These links go to news organisations, for example, Radio New Zealand, so I'm not sure why they've been labelled as a press release?

Thanks, EvenstarNZ (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC) EvenstarNZ (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 02:04, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I would ask for clarification from User:Worldbruce, who changed those templates. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK


 * It is not uncommon for news organizations to republish press releases. The cited Solomon Star and Telecompaper articles, for example, are reprints of press releases from Kacific's web site. RNZ doesn't identify the origin of its three pieces. The Kiribati one is word for word identical to "Hawaii: Kiribati Signs Agreement With Satellite Broadband Provider." US Official News 22 Oct. 2014. Infotrac Newsstand. Web. 22 Apr. 2015.


 * LexisNexis Research describes US Official News as "a comprehensive source of major happenings, developments and full text public announcements made through press releases, statements and other documents issued by various federal and state governments." (http://w3.nexis.com/sources/scripts/info.pl?400469) That's why it's labeled as a press release.


 * I believed that I found equivalent matches for the other two RNZ blurbs, but I cannot now recreate those search results. Indeed, I see that the Tuvalu one is a précis of http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/programmes/datelinepacific/audio/2599448/deal-to-bring-high-speed-internet-to-tuvalu, which is news reporting. Consequently I will recharacterize those two RNZ sources. Worldbruce (talk) 03:46, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

22:18:28, 22 April 2015 review of submission by DMPGroup15
The article on http://people.famouswhy.com/tab_turner/ appears to be stolen from an old company website for Turner & Associates P.A. and the content does not belong to them. It also does not appear to claim to be copyrighted. The website however will not allow me to delete the article even though it was not uploaded by the owner, blocking the submission from being edited. What are my options?

DMPGroup15 (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 01:59, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * famouswhy.com isn't part of Wikipedia, so I'm afraid we can't help you with that. You can try contacting them at http://www.famouswhy.com/contact/. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK