Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 April 7

= April 7 =

05:06:04, 7 April 2015 review of submission by GailRice
I need help!!!!! The process of developing an acceptable entry for Wikipedia has been difficult and mysterious.

Here is a message from "ToonLucas22" (6 April 2015) regarding the revised Wikipedia submission for the scientific journal AoB PLANTS.

"This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing, so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. What you can do: Add citations (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners) to secondary reliable sources that are entirely independent of the subject."

"Flat Out" declined the first draft on 25 March 2015 for the same reason, and in a revised draft I added references that seem to have been perfectly acceptable for a number of other Wikipedia entries. The article is modeled after published Wikipedia entries for similar scientific journals including Oecologia, Journal of Environmental Biology, New Phytologist, Journal of Ecology, Conservation Biology, and Annals of Botany (which is a sister journal under the same ownership). I have supplied the same kinds of references as are used in these articles, but my AoB PLANTS draft continues to be declined, and I am confounded by your requirements!!!!!!! I am being pressured by my employers and my supervisor to get this entry published, and I need to figure out how to communicate with whoever is assessing my drafts to appeal the decision and find out what in the world can be missing from the second draft. The links direct me to an odd "talk" page where there is noplace to talk!

Also, I have a letter (email from the company secretary/treasurer granting permission to use the journal's cover image without restriction. Where do I direct this permission? GailRice (talk) 05:06, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * There are several points here:
 * Read WP:COI and understand that we have no interest of any description in any pressure you are under. Perennially you have my sympathy. Wikipedia has no sympathy
 * All those exclamation marks do not endear your cause to us
 * We are capable of reading prior reviews on the draft
 * Patently you are confused. The best way of getting help is not by being confounded, but by asking
 * Other articles never, not ever, set a precedent here. If they did we would model articles after increasingly poorer articles and descend into idiocracy
 * What possible commercial benefit is there for your employer to have an article here? They can do vanity publishing on their own web site
 * Now, I will have a look at the draft. If I have anything to add I will add it there. Fiddle   Faddle  09:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Fiddle   Faddle  11:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi GailRice, I sympathise with your predicament. First show your bosses the WP:PSCOI and WP:DEADLINE pages, so that they may either drop the whole idea or at least ease up the time pressure, then for your own elucidation take a good look at the notability guidelines for academic journals. I hope this helps. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Although you'll never persuade an experienced editor using the argument that a draft is like an existing article, it's natural to compare articles and learn by example. Make sure you're studying the best possible examples. Wikipedia has no great (i.e. featured), and only two good, articles about academic journals: The Accounting Review and Genes, Brain and Behavior.


 * Another resource that you may find helpful, in addition to those mentioned above and in the reviews of the draft, is the essay WikiProject Academic Journals/Writing guide. Worldbruce (talk) 05:52, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * GailRice, discussing your draft with the members of WP:WikiProject Academic Journals would probably be most useful as they are editors who are directly experienced and interested in the topic of Academic Journals. I will alert them about this discussion too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:37, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Some helpful tips on how to write a good journal article can be found in our journal article writing guide. There are also a number of links and pre-formatted references on my user page that may be helpful. This journal clearly meets WP:NJournals, given that it has a sizeable impact factor (a "real" one, not one of those fakes that recently are cropping up). The article could use some cleanup before going "life", though. If I find time, I'll do something myself, but the writing guide is clear enough for anybody to follow, I think. --Randykitty (talk) 10:12, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I have given the draft a work over and it is ready to go to mainspace. The journal clearly meets WP:NJournals and there is basically zero chance that this would be deleted after AfD. As for the COI, close adherence to the journal article writing guide virtually guarantees a neutral, NPOV article, even if written by a representative of the publisher. --Randykitty (talk) 10:50, 9 April 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ with thanks to for the work done. Long may it be expanded as an article.  Fiddle   Faddle  11:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

13:12:12, 7 April 2015 review of submission by Dcw2003
Dcw2003 (talk) 13:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC) I am having some difficulty reducing the size of an photo image which currently appears in my article. I would like to know the proper format for the imagesize=  variable so that I may properly reduce the size of the image as it appears in the article. Do you need to put a measure such as centimeters or inches? This image is in a draft article entitled Dave Palitz, currently in my user area. PAGE''' ]]) 16:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The units of imagesize are width in pixels. I updated your draft to reduce the size of the image, but you can adjust it as you see fit. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Request on 16:02:12, 7 April 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Datablue12
I want to create a bio page. Does that start off the same way as an article submission? Thanks Datablue12 (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Datablue12 (talk) 16:02, 7 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 16:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE ]]) 21:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, they start off the same, but you may find the Infobox person template helpful for the top of your article. Note that there is a higher standard for citations for biographies. Every statement of fact must be backed up with an in-line citation. Please review the policy of the biographies of living (and recently deceased) people and the notability guidelines for biographies. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * It just occurred to me that I might have misunderstood your question. Are you talking about a bio page for yourself or a bio page about somebody else. If you are trying to create your own bio page, you can edit User:Datablue12 directly. Just make sure that you're not using the page for self promotion or social networking -- it should include only information relevant to your Wikipedia editing, not your CV/resume or your complete life history. See WP:USERPAGE for more info. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Request on 17:32:06, 7 April 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Spngbobsfo
The following article was rejected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Greg_Miller and I believe it is due to lack of sources but I added a bunch at the end of the article as shown in the article template. The sources directly support the information in the article. Do I need more? I would like a little better understanding of what I need to do to fix it. Can you be more specific? Thank you!

Spngbobsfo (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I have left a comment on your draft which will help a great deal. Fiddle   Faddle  17:39, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

18:22:02, 7 April 2015 review of submission by DMarkz88
In my feedback the main focus for my rejection was that my references do not adequately show my subjects notability. I was just curious as to how? My references included articles from the NY Times, a very well known newspaper, also The Pennsylvania State University's official athletic website, my subject's own ESPN page on their website, and lastly a well known site for hockey stats. DMarkz88 (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 21:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As I said in my comment on the page, please review WP:NHOCKEY. A hockey player is generally not considered notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia until they have played a game for a fully professional league. Once he graduates, if the Islanders or any other NHL team let him play in a regular or post-season game, then he can have a Wikipedia article. For now, it is too soon. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

18:53, 7 April 2015 post by DJJAYLEW
— Preceding unsigned comment added by DJJAYLEW (talk • contribs) 18:53, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

PAGE''' ]]) 21:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Do not post your draft here. To submit your draft for review, click the blue/green "Submit your draft when you are ready for it to be reviewed!" button on the top of your draft. However, even if you did submit your draft for review, it would be declined because it has no in-line citations to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Dr Jan Fawcett
Another user has started a page for my father. Can someone please help to expedite it? I was unable to clear your stringent requirements to get a page up by his 80th birthday last year. He's 81 now I'm really just trying to get it on Wikipedia before he dies. Can someone  please  help me to honor this inveterate professional who has dedicated his life to helping the mentally ill??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealMarcFawcett (talk • contribs) 20:08, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to present independent academic or journalistic sources to demonstrate your father's notability. Also, please see our guidelines on editing with a conflict of interest, and our policy regarding using Wikipedia as a memorial.  Ian.thomson (talk) 20:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

23:00:44, 7 April 2015 review of submission by 86.5.176.46
86.5.176.46 (talk) 23:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Help me please

Help please

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 * You need to provide references to independent sources. This means that you must have sources that aren't affiliated with Mr. Boot or Crown Productions. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK