Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 July 21

= July 21 =

02:22:28, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Jackgarcia49
Folks, I've redone the referencing to what was required by the guidelines (I think). It's pretty hard as it is to understand.

Would somebody through the kindness of his/her heart, please correct, if possible, the referencing. Or, send me detailed instructions on how to fix this article so it meets are Wikipedia requirements for publications. Please, if you can.

Thanks in advance.

jackgarcia49 Jackgarcia49 (talk) 02:22, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The technical formatting of the references is close enough. The major problems are with the range of sources and the extent of inline citations.
 * To be included in Wikipedia, an article must be based primarily on reliable sources independent of the subject. The only sources the draft cites are things written by Flader. It must reference mainly things written about Flader, such as: Even that isn't the strongest source, since it is in part Flader talking about Flader, but I think there's enough analysis by the writer that it goes some way toward demonstrating notability.
 * Because this is a biography of a living person, anything likely to be challenged (which these days means just about everything) needs an inline citation. I find a good rule of thumb is that every paragraph should cite at least one source.
 * While you're at it, try to break the text into sections. See Writing better articles for more guidance and browse Featured articles for examples. Worldbruce (talk) 04:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

07:00:31, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Vivek.bekhabar
The article I feel is notable, since it has around 4 references which discusses it (in addition to the 3 for Gallery Soulflower), and other passing by sources which have not been mentioned here. Check this and this. I have done extensive research on aroma industry. I found Soulflower is one of the early company in this sector in India. Please go through all the articles I have shared. I still feel Soulflower could have a small article. The other brands in this category are Nyassa, Om Ved, khadi, Forest Essentials. Their is a no information about all these on wikipedia. And I don't feel that you mean this whole sector is not notable. The most coverage I could get for was Soulflower. So, I started making a page. What do you say ? Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC) Vivek.bekhabar (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

08:03:09, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Alabious341911
I am a new editor. I submitted an article for can creation this morning; but it was declined.I will like to know why it is declined. Please i am a new editor and your response will be highly appreciated. Thanks.

Alabious341911 (talk) 08:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Alabious341911. Your submission, Draft:Dr. Anthony Kenechukwu Offu, was declined because it has inadequate inline citations. These are required both to establish that the subject meets the inclusion criteria for an article and to verify the assertions made in the article. You need multiple published reliable sources which are entirely independent of the subject  and which cover him in significant depth. These include newspaper or magazine articles, journal articles, and books. They do not include press releases or pieces based on press releases, or his websites or his own books. Your draft currently has five citations (almost all with broken links). Three are to pages on his own website. One is a broken link to a generic page on Google Books . I assume you mean this book by him, which is self-published. The other "book" of his listed on Google is a copy of his Master's Thesis at City University of New York. The fifth one is to his profile at AuthorHouse, the self-publishing company he used for his book. Even if adequate sourcing could eventually be provided (and I doubt it), the draft is highly promotional and would need extensive copyediting. Voceditenore (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

10:08:38, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Alain Toogood
My page has not been accepted and I have attempted to read the suggested help pages but am overwhelmed with the information. Can somebody tell me, in words that a west-country farmer can understand, what I need to do to make it acceptable? Alain Toogood (talk) 10:08, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Alain. What those information pages boil down to is that you need to find multiple published reliable sources which are entirely independent of the subject, i.e. Ole Henriksen, and which cover him in significant depth. These include newspaper or magazine articles, journal articles, and books. They do not include press releases or pieces based on press releases, or the websites of his companies. You might also want to tone down the promotional tone about his latest venture, Buildpod, but that's minor issue compared to the complete lack of coverage in independent sources. Voceditenore (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

13:11:13, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Cfhosford
Hello: I expanded the English language stub of the page of the cellist Maurice Marechal, cited above. However, the entry at the bottom still says "This article is a stub." Is that language removed automatically once the entry reaches a certain length, or with appropriate footnotes? Much thanks, as always. -- cfhosford

Cfhosford (talk) 13:11, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Cfhosford. Stub tags have to be removed manually. Anyone can do that if they feel the article is no longer a stub. I have removed them from Maurice Maréchal. But this help desk is really only for queries about drafts being submitted to Articles for Creation. For future help on questions like this, I suggest you use The Teahouse or Help desk. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 14:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

13:19:56, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Pamendez01
My article was declined at Articles of Creation. The stated reason is that is sounds advertised, but I don't understand. I have good citations and entered in only objective information. As a long time Wikipedia user, I believe the language and material is consistent with all other wiki material. Pamendez01 (talk) 13:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC) --Pamendez01 (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Pamendez01. To a neutral observer it reads quite blatantly like a promotional brochure or alternative web site for the program. If you are connected in any way to that organization, that's probably why you cannot see it yourself. It's one of the main reasons why editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.


 * Your referencing is also very poor, both in terms of establishing notability and in terms of verifying the claims. The citations are: two unpublished PhD theses, one of them written by the organization's founder; the organization's staff training guide; the organization's own website; and one newspaper article from 1996. As it appears not to be online, I have no idea what it actually says about the organization, but that is nowhere near enough.


 * You need to find multiple published reliable sources which are entirely independent of the subject, and which cover it in significant depth. These include newspaper or magazine articles, journal articles, and books. They do not include press releases or pieces based on press releases, or the websites or publications of the organization, or trivial performance announcements. Here the organization says it has been the subject numerous academic journal articles and several documentaries. I suggest you find and use those sources. But even if you do, the article will still require drastic pruning and copyediting. Voceditenore (talk) 14:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

16:02:05, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Htavarezppd
I need help uploading the images I created as part of the article. The figures for the article do not upload. Would you please provide some guidance so I may finish the article for submission and review. I thank you in advance for any help you may provide in this matter. Htavarezppd (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The topic is not suitable for Wikipedia. Maybe you should try Wikiversity instead. Or a scientific journal publisher. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:39, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

16:04:05, 21 July 2015 review of submission by NetNumber
Our page was declined today and we need to make the necessary changes so it meets the articles of creation. However, when we try to access the draft page, the page is no longer there. Can it be brought back so we can make the changes and resubmit.

Thanks.

NetNumber (talk) 16:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * No I'm afraid it cannot be brought back, NetNumber. It was a blatant copyright violation from various pages on http://netnumber.com. I am going to ask an administrator to delete it the draft and its history now. You should not have removed the speedy deletion tag, and quite frankly, given your user name, you should not be creating or editing this article at all. Voceditenore (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

16:27:39, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Laurafbl1
Hello, I had my article sent for review and it got declined for submission due to notability. I re edited the paper and added more references that were independent of the author. Since then the article is on pending. i edited again. I just don't know what to do more. Thanks for the help Laurafbl1 (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * for the reasons explained on the draft. Worldbruce (talk) 17:36, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

16:32:18, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Rads sing
Hi - I need some help drafting a page. The first time I wrote it and submitted, Matthew declined it, saying there were no references. Now I have added references, ( citations) and resubmitted - however this has been pending for over 5 days now. Is this common? The first time I submitted, I got a reply within 24 hours, however this time round, I am getting a little concerned.

Will be grateful for help and also advice on how best to make the page go live quickly.

Thanks everyone Radhika Rads sing (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Rads sing (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Help desks offer help with questions and offer advice, but I can see how you might wish for help in drafting and mistake this as a place where it will happen. I'm afraid that is not the case. It has taken too long to have one of us reply to you. Please accept our apologies. Fiddle   Faddle  14:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

16:40:35, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Alyssa Carol
The article on artist Eric Forstmann I submitted was rejected due to it including "material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations." What is the minimum number of inline citations? Is there a base number of sources that is necessary to create an article? I currently have utilized 10 sources, and I tend to cite once at the end of paragraphs when I use a single source for the information above so perhaps that is part of the problem? Thank you for your help! Alyssa Carol (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not a question of counting--rather, for a biographical article, each important item must be referenced specifically. Some of them in the article are, but many are not, eg the 2009 exhibition-- your ref 4 is an adequate source, but it has to be indicated in the text.
 * However, the more difficult problem to solve is that he does not seem to meet the requirements for WP:CREATIVE, which requires work in the [permanent collection of major museums, or substantial critical discussion in published third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. Until this is available, there's no point going further.  DGG ( talk ) 03:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

22:11:26, 21 July 2015 review of submission by Mvanmeer23
Hi! This is my first article submission, and I tried REALLY hard to get it right. But all guidance and suggestions for improvement, once it's reviewed, will be gratefully received and acted upon.

There are only two things I couldn't figure out how to do, and these are my two questions:

1. I want to change the article name to Kamala Devi (without the McClure), since that's what she's known worldwide as, and then have her listed on the disambiguation page. Is that possible? As you can see on the Kamala Devi page, THREE Kamala Devis are listed. She is one of them, but the link only goes to her Showtime TV series.

2. Also, I have a photo of her, but didn't know how to include it with the draft.

I appreciate your help!

Thanks, Mary

Mvanmeer23 (talk) 22:11, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * [[File:Historic American Buildings Survey Robert W. Kerrigan, Photographer Original- 1936 VIEW FROM EAST - Fort Miller, Lake Millerton, Millerton, Madera County, CA HABS CAL,10-MILL,1-2 - cropped.jpg|thumb|Fort Miller, Marin County, California]]
 * Hi Mary. Re the photograph, did you take it yourself? If not, then you'll have to provide proof that the copyright holder (almost always the photographer) has released it under a free license. It's a fairly complicated process. If you took it yourself and it is already in jpg or similar file format, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons using this link to the Upload Wizard. Once you have successfully uploaded it, simply add a link to the file name to your draft using this markup:
 * Your file's name.jpg
 * At the right is an example.


 * Re the article name, when your article is accepted the reviewer can move it to a more appropriate title. Would you like me to rename the draft in the meantime to facilitate this? I'd suggest either:
 * Kamala Devi (performance artist)
 * or
 * Kamala Devi (author).
 * Just post your answer here and I'll do the rename. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)