Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 June 2

= June 2 =

Request on 06:23:19, 2 June 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by PAT6592
Article referred to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Farm_Forestry_Toolbox#Farm_Forestry_Toolbox User PAT6592

Reference is made in the reviewer comments that 'the submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability' and the 'Golden Rule'. I think I understand the requirement re the Golden Rule, and hence the section in the Article on Citation of papers where the Farm Forestry Toolbox has been used.

The Toolbox of programs is used daily by a pool of users within Australia and increasing overseas. Wikipedia does provide a excellent medium for users - current and potential to learn about the Toolbox.

Given that currently no other reliable sources, independent of the topic are available, perhaps the best place for the article in in a specific Wiki.

I think the the appropriate Category is Forest Modelling, Subcategory - Forest Models. Could please advice if this is possible and what needs to be done to have the article included in this subcategory. PAT6592 (talk) 06:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, and welcome to the Help Desk. I think there might be some confusion as to the comment made about adding the article to another wiki. I read that comment as suggesting that the article be submitted to an entirely different wiki, apart from Wikipedia. Also, articles are categorized only once they've been accepted. (You can read about categories at WP:CAT.) So the article must demonstrate the notability of the subject before it can be accepted and categorized into the categories you've proposed. Notability essentially requires that you find significant coverage of the subject in a variety of reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Thanks, /wia /talk 21:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

06:48:28, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Faiz mahmood
hello this faiz mahmood i am requesting you for assistance for my draft declination. Faiz mahmood (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ I have submitted the draft for review. Next time, you can do so yourself by adding to the article. A reviewer will be along in the future to examine your draft and offer feedback. Thanks, /wia /talk 21:37, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, there are two drafts at play! Once you've created an article, you don't have to make a second version of it. Just keep working on the original and resubmit by adding when you've addressed the reviewer's concerns with the draft.


 * The current issue with Draft:Dr Maira-uddin Ahmed is that the references are not reliable sources. Take a look at WP:RS for some information about reliable sources—they should be reputable sources of information, and usually they have some sort of editorial policy or other content-screening mechanism to ensure that the material they publish is itself reliable. /wia /talk 22:05, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

17:36:59, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Wordsfidi
Hi there -- I had a couple questions about how to best deal with two subjects in my MindMeld draft:


 * The company's name is Expect Labs, but there are imminent plans of going by MindMeld instead (the name of the product). There aren't any published sources talking about this, however.
 * If you look through the press coverage, you may see mentions of a MindMeld iPad app. This app was a demo and has been discontinued.

Should these points be dealt with more explicitly in the text of the draft? Any advice greatly appreciated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:MindMeld

17:36, 2 June 2015 (UTC)(Wordsfidi : talk )(COI)


 * Hello! Information added to Wikipedia articles has to be verifiable, so if there's not yet any published source that documents this proposed name change, it's not yet suitable to add to the draft. However, it seems that the product already goes by the name MindMeld, being owned by Expect Labs. So in this case, I think you could just reword the relevant part of your draft to state that MindMeld is a platform owned by Expect Labs.


 * As for the content in your article, you are certainly welcome to mention the iPad app and any other platforms that MindMeld works on, as long as that information is not given undue weight. Thanks, /wia /talk 21:44, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

That makes sense. Many thanks for the response.(Wordsfidi : talk )(COI) 22:58, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

19:17:10, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Lynn R. McGee
Lynn R. McGee (talk) 19:17, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I understand that I need to include more verifiable references in the article I submitted. I am wondering if someone could point out some glaring examples of places that need to be referenced.

As far as the general comment that the subject is not noteworthy, I'm confused, because there are nine CUNY college presidents on Wikipedia and their accomplishments seem not unlike those of the president of BMCC.

Also, I have questions about the submission process. Is there a limit as to how many times I can edit and re-submit an article?

Thank you to the reviewing team

Lynn R. McGee (talk)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. Your draft, User:Lynn R. McGee/sandbox, currently only has one reference, and it does not mention Antonio Pérez. What you will need to do is find and add a variety of reliable, independent (third-party) sources that discuss this person in significant detail. This can be found in journal articles, magazines, A/V media, websites and a host of other places. A good rule of thumb is that, since this article is about a living person, any claims that are likely to be challenged, or any contentious statements about the subject (whether positive, negative or neutral) should be supported with an inline citation. For example, in the "Biography" section, you should find some references that support the claims about Perez' childhood, education and family. Continue likewise throughout the rest of the article.


 * As for the "what about this other article?" point, it doesn't hold much water on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has been around for a while, and some articles have slipped through the "cracks", as it were, and might not meet all of Wikipedia's standards as well as they should. If we started comparing new articles to some of those older articles with problems, Wikipedia's standards would decrease and the value of the content would plummet. Also, a note about notability: it's not the same thing as noteworthiness or fame. Notability refers instead to significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. That's what must be found and shown in order to demonstrate notability.


 * Lastly, theres no limit to the number of times you edit and resubmit an article. I'll note, however, that if your article is declined at first, there's not much use resubmitting it until the issues flagged by the reviewer have been addressed. Happy editing, and feel free to stop by if you have any other Articles for Creation-related questions. Thanks, /wia /talk 21:52, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

20:30:37, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Swreynolds
20:30:37, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Swreynolds

I am really confused as to why my page isn't being created? Both Red Condor and St. Bernard pages are NOW FACTUALLY INCORRECT. We have since renamed the company and have new leadership and new products. Please give me insight as to why my page isn't being created and how I can create it. Thanks!

Swreynolds (talk) 20:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, which article are you referring to? The EdgeWave article is created and exists in the mainspace. Thanks, /wia /talk 21:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

22:00:22, 2 June 2015 review of submission by Tnguyen4321
The reason for my submission to be denied is "the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Battle of Ia Drang instead." First of all, no it does not. You won't find it in Wikipedia if you search for "The Pleime Campaign". Secondly, you can find it as a background at Battle of Ia Drang, yes, but you cannot improve it and make it to become an article on "The Pleime Campaign" on its own merit, separated from the article "Battle of Ia Drang". You need to create the article "The Pleime Campaign". It does not exist yet in Wikipedia. My request is to allow it to be created and allow other wikipedians to improve it. Tnguyen4321 (talk) 22:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * User:Ahecht has kindly created this redirect, such that now, when you search for "The Pleime Campaign" in Wikipedia, you are taken to the existing article Battle of Ia Drang, which also now contains some or all of the content you added. If you still feel there are strong reasons for there to be a separate article, you could join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history, where views expressed thus far indicate that a separate article is not necessary. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Request on 23:28:42, 2 June 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Nefertura
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Hi everyone!

I believe I don't fully understand this "not enough inline citations" stuff. Wikiisawesome told me:

″There are not enough inline citations in the draft. When you do so, take care that you are using reliable, independent (third-party) sources that discuss the subject in significant detail. Of the three links listed in your references section, two are from the subject himself (meaning they are not independent) and the third only mentions him in passing. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me on my talk page. Thanks, wia (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)″

I asked these questions in wia's talk page but since it says user may respond to talk page messages or e-mails more slowly than usual, I wanted to ask you guys also for help.

So I have a few questions regarding this:

This person in the article is a musician (conductor). I thought that most reliable info must be in his official website and social media accounts. But Wikiisawesome said that it is not objective. I'm not sure if I can find published material about a musician (conductor). What kinds of source can I use for reference? Can I use references like news from websites, past facebook events etc.? Can I use these references (news from websites, past facebook events etc.) written in Turkish for this English article?

It is my understanding that he engaged with Russian, French, Italian, Spanish, Brazilian orchestras and maybe there are sources in these languages but I don't understand these languages, so there is a little chance that I can use any source written in these languages. What can I do about this?

Thank you so much for your time and help.

Nefertura (talk) 23:28, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * {{reply to|Nefertura}} Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk! I've posted a reply to your question on my talk page. Thanks, /wia /talk 01:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)