Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 March 16

= March 16 =

Request on 01:51:16, 16 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Miamiheat631
Hello, I recently attempted to create an article for Kevin Olekaibe, a basketball player. However, it was not accepted and I was curious why. The message on my talk page said to add "references to secondary sources that are completely independent of the subject." I am not sure what that means and I was very confident in my article. If I could have some assistance, that would be incredibly appreciated. Thank you. Miamiheat631 (talk) 01:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Miamiheat631 (talk) 01:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - Take a look at the notability requirements for basketball players at WP:NBASKETBALL, none of which this player meets.  Hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 02:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you  However, there are articles on other basketball players who do not meet those requirements at all, such as Casey Prather.  If that article exists without meeting those qualifications, then why doesn't mine?

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 * Wikipedia is monitored by volunteers, and it is not unusual for an inappropriate article to slip through the cracks. However, in this case, Casey Prather was the subject of significant individual coverage (not just routine coverage of games and transactions) that qualifies for notability under WP:BIO. I don't see the same coverage for Kevin Olekaibe. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

01:56:50, 16 March 2015 review of submission by 98.218.21.122
I want to know where to request someone to create an article detailing the belly washers drink seeing as it is a product and yet does not have it's own article on wikipedia.

98.218.21.122 (talk) 01:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Not all products are notable enough for Wikipedia to need an article about them. See VRS for more details. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:45, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 02:15:39, 16 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Dr Betty Con Walker


Dr Betty Con Walker (talk) 02:15, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - Well, since the article has already been blanked, that means that most of the article was copied from another source. Onel5969 (talk) 02:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 02:21:11, 16 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by 106.221.195.154
<-- मै जो आर्टिकल बनाना चाहता हु ये एक जगह के बारे में हैं जो की इस समय तहसील भी है लेकिन समझ में नहीं आ रहा है कई कैसे बनाऊ कृपया सहायता करे । -->

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 * This is the English language Wikipedia. If you wish to edit in Hindi, please use the Hindi Wikipedia. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * यह अंग्रेजी भाषा विकिपीडिया है। आप हिंदी में संपादित करना चाहते हैं, हिन्दी विकिपीडिया का उपयोग करें। --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

05:01:56, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Disharulzme
I have a question as there are many other Company on Wikipedia? My article is on an Company too, and it got rejected clause A7; please let me know what can I do further for the article to get accepted?

Disharulzme (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Check the links on the Draft page itself, linked above. These tell you the problems with the Draft and what you can do to improve it. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 11:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Are you asking about User:Disharulzme/Zonic Digital Inc.? If so, please read the links in the decline box, especially the golden rule. Then, read about how to add references.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 05:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oops, I didn't see your previous post, sorry. Well, I suppose I guessed correctly, so my advice still goes.  Anon 126   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 06:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

05:52:25, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Ayazf
My recent article submission was declined because 'references do not adequately show the subject's notability'. Can anyone help me to improve the submission referencing? Ayazf (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

08:10:35, 16 March 2015 review of submission by 98.113.142.196
98.113.142.196 (talk) 08:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have a question about why your draft is declined, please first read the decline reason in the box at the top and follow the links.
 * In this case, your draft was declined because there are no reliable sources (generally books, newspapers, magazines, and the like) cited. Wikipedia needs reliable sources.
 * Also, keep in mind that Wikipedia is not for advertising, publicity, or promotion. Anon 124 (+2)   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 17:07, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

08:17:02, 16 March 2015 review of submission by JaneDuterte
JaneDuterte (talk) 08:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, editors! I submitted a draft article for review but realized that there is a typo in the page name (one letter lacking). Is there any way I can still change this? Your comments will be highly appreciated.

Thank you so much!


 * We can MOVE the Draft page for you to the appropriate name, or in about four days from now you will be able to do so yourself. But, I am thinking it might make more sense to move it to Draft:Romolo Nati as this seems to be the name that the person is known by, and there are no other Wikipedia articles with that title. What do you think? Arthur goes shopping (talk) 10:40, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

10:38:01, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Pfeilers
Hi there,

the Draft for my submission was declined, because the references I used where written (at least in part) by the subject of the article himself. I wanted to ask if a website like or  is sufficient as reference concerning the curriculum vitae part of the article. I am not sure how to reference information in the research part, because the best information you can get here are the reviewed publications of the subject himself.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks a lot.

Pfeilers (talk) 10:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi - There are two basic types of sources: those for verifiability, and those for notability.  The two new websources you mention above are bio pages, which are normally written by someone affiliated with the subject, since the subject belongs or is affiliated with both of those groups.  As such, they would be okay to verify a fact or assertion in the article, but don't speak to the subject's notability.  For notability Wikipedia needs substantial coverage from independent, reliable sources.


 * I'm not sure this subject meets notability requirements (see WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMICS). Based on these sources, there is no substantial coverage from independent reliable sources.  In the article you claim that he "became internationally well known for his seminal scanning tunnel microscopic work".  If that's true, then there should be a plethora of coverage from independent sources, and that would qualify him for notability.  Hope this helps. Onel5969 (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

12:56:58, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Ald7th
I have been rejected twice for copyrighted material. I am not sure why, as I have only written a few descriptive sentences in a neutral tone, as well as outsourced to reputable websites. Is it too similar to the bio on the Basic website? Please see below: Draft:Nazila Fathi ([ history] · [ last edit] · rewrite) from http://www.basicbooks.com/full-details?isbn=9780465069996} {{subst:Nothanks-web|pg=Draft:Nazila Fathi|url=http://www.basicbooks.com/full-details?isbn=9780465069996} The author asked me to create a Wikipedia page for her (I work at Basic) and I'm just trying to make the author happy. Any help would be appreciated--I suppose I can just rewrite all of the things she's done in her life to make it sound less like the author bio from the book? Thank you! Ald7th (talk) 12:56, 16 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The portion of the article (which is now hidden) beginning with "reported from the country for Time and Agence France-Presse..." appears to have been directly copied from the author's bio as seen on pages such as http://www.basicbooks.com/full-details?isbn=9780465069996. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

15:28:09, 16 March 2015 review of submission by 212.198.181.146
212.198.181.146 (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Am i On The good way ?????

212.198.181.146 (talk) 15:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

18:22:19, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Artistsfind
Hello, Thank you for offering to help. This is of upmost importance to me. I value your time. I have put many long hours learning Wikipedia culture, styles, and markup for the purpose of having this artist's article. Please in all candor help me to understand the flaws of this article.

Please allow me to explain this- This artist is influential and very highly regarded. The artist has over one hundred solid offline biographical data and cites stored in library reference books. This doesn't help get references to easily look-up online. Example - The academy awards does not list the art directors or set design winners on line - they favor actors.

Questions- Do you want photocopies? I do have tangible proof of his awards and mentions. If this article is edited again, do you want this article shortened? What should be cut? What should I cut - teachers; education details; intros of others; other details or lists? There is a matter of the image, it is proper to use it and if documentations from the artist (subject) or me is requested I can do so. Help me with getting the image through the proper channels to be approved. Thank you very much for helping me getting this article approved. All advice that you have for me is welcome.Caryl Jean 18:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC) Caryl Jean 18:22, 16 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 21:29, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Please see footnote 5 at WP:BASIC regarding biographical dictionaries: "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the subject notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. Thus, entries in biographical dictionaries that accept self-nominations (such as the Marquis Who's Who) do not prove notability."
 * The offline sources you mention in the article are almost entirely such biographical dictionaries, and therefore don't show notability. Other offline sources should be added as references, but they only prove notability if they are both independent of the subject and are considered reliable sources. (Oh, and the academy awards does list art directiors and set design winners online: here's a random example from 1991). --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

20:08:35, 16 March 2015 review of draft by Davew123
I'm creating an entry for nonex's. I invented nonex's in 2006 but this is the first public article. Thus I do not have any references because it is brand new. Wikipedia is THE definitive source for the definition.

Davew123 (talk) 20:08, 16 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 21:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If the subject of the article is so new that significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article don't exist, then it is too soon for that subject to have a Wikipedia article. Per WP:N: "Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Just as a lagging economic indicator indicates what the economy was doing in the past, a topic is "notable" in Wikipedia terms only if the outside world has already "taken notice of it"." Wikipedia is not a venue for promoting your invention, and should never be considered definitive for anything (that's what reliable sources are for). --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK


 * Hi Davew123 - Did you patent the invention back in 2006? I think you need to first publish in a computer science journal - perhaps someone at WP:WikiProject Computer science can give you better advice. I see you are mentioned in Session (computer science) about a "workaround" for something you devised in 1996. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

21:50:33, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Pattwala
My submission has been declined/rejected twice and I'm curious to know why. Many other Ontario summer camps have entries. They can all be referenced here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Summer_camps_in_Canada. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Sunrise has only one sentence about the camp and 3 reference cited, but it has an entry. And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Timberlane_Canada has issues noted at the top, but it too has an entry.

Any help/advice would be appreciated. Pattwala (talk) 21:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 22:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is monitored by volunteers, so it's not unusual for an inappropriate article to slip through the cracks. Those two examples you gave were created 5 or more years ago, when standards for inclusion may have been different. The two reviewers that looked at your draft correctly rejected it because it was lacking citations to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

Request on 05:02:31, 6 March 2015 review of submission by Hewittel
23:10:35, 16 March 2015 review of submission by Hewittel

Thank you for explaining what you were looking for in declining the March 5 submission of the draft article on Roger Brent. I have added additional references and more explanation on a number of them. I added reference to his eleven patents as well. But I'm not sure it's everything you were looking for, or done in such a way that it was clear. I notice that a number of others in Dr. Brent's field have a different format to their articles, with a table of contents and separation of elements, and are included in spite of their work's importance in the molecular biology field being no more important in my opinion. Would a reorganization to enhance readability help? I also saw that one of his awards was from a Trust that had their own Wikipedia article flagged about some controversies that had nothing to do with Dr. Brent and were not in his field - a later political complaint that had something to do with salmon. Someone added to our draft that a Wikipedia article on them did not exist (although it does ...) and the IP address of that commenter was in Australia and at an address owned by a domain name service. Would it be better to omit that award in the submission?

I do appreciate your guidance and positive suggestions for improvement.

Hewittel (talk) 23:10, 16 March 2015 (UTC)