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= March 17 =

Request on 03:58:15, 17 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Paulhutchinsfl
You sent me this message about my submissionThe submission has not been accepted because it included copyrighted information, which is not permitted on Wikipedia can you be more specific please?Paulhutchinsfl (talk) 03:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)paul hutchins

Paulhutchinsfl (talk) 03:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear Paulhutchinsfl. It appears that you are writing an advertisement for a book that you have written yourself. The text contains phrases and whole sentences that have been used in various other advertisements for the book, for example, on this web site: http://www.hubblerevealscreation.com/. Even though you or your publisher may have written this text, because it is previously published Wikipedia can't use it unless it is officially donated through this process: Donating copyrighted materials. However, there is really no point in doing this, because the text as written is so highly promotional (instead of being written from a neutral point of view), as well as containing opinions and ideas (instead of just facts about the book), that the draft would need to be almost completely rewritten to be acceptable. You have added some references, and that's good - but references must be independently written about the book (not about space or about the telescope, etc.). For example, book reviews, news reports or magazine articles written about this book by journalists or other authors not connected with you or your publisher or friends would make good references. Social media sites and Youtube are not suitable, nor are commercial websites with an interest in selling the book. By the time you take away all of the words like "inspirational". "awe-inspiring", etc., you will likely have solved the copyright issue as well. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 05:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

09:38:31, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Tinghuber2015
Hi,

The article has been rejected with the comment "You need to prove secondary sources, not just ones from the school itself." Please can somebody clarify this point? I suppose my question is "how does Wikipedia define independent?" as I thought I'd met this requirement.

I'm slightly confused as I have referenced what i would consider secondary sources, i.e., independent news sites, a diploma thesis, a research project, school web sites (not schools owned/operated by UWS).

Is it the entire article that is at fault or just certain facts? Or do I perhaps need to target the references a bit more tightly, i.e., reference individual facts more specifically?

Or is just that a school saying "We work with UWS" is not considered independent enough, but a news article saying "School X works with UWS" is considered independent enough? I've worked on the assumption that content on the UWS web site would be off limits as not independent, but content on third party web sites would be okay.

In more detail:

"They work in Cambodia" fact

http://www.stephencodrington.com/Hub/HK_Blog/Entries/2010/12/4_Just_10_Highlights_of_a_Very_Busy_Week.html Would it help if I added some disambiguation like text to clarify that "United World Schools" and "United World Colleges" are not the same thing? I can see how that might be confusing. Or is that disallowed as a reference as it is a blog? Or is this reference okay?

http://theambitionquestion.com/2014/05/22/we-want-a-school-the-ambition-of-a-village-northeast-cambodia/ I'd actually have preferred to reference his research project but didn't as this is hosted on the UWS web site so it might not appear truly independent. http://www.unitedworldschools.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Evaluating-the-impact-of-delivering-primary-eduacion-in-NE-Cambodia-Ian-Caswell.pdf

"They work in Myanmar" fact

http://is.muni.cz/th/411489/pedf_m/Diploma_Thesis.pdf That's a diploma thesis so I assume qualifies as independent.

'''"The charity twins each community school it develops with another school in more affluent parts of the world." fact'''

I added various links to third party school web sites to verify this. These are not schools owned by UWS, but schools UWS collaborates with.

I also added references to news articles that mention UWS third party school collaborations. I'm not really sure of any way of proving a link between two organisations other than the organisations themselves saying they are collaborating. I'm wondering if there is a lack of clarity in the article about schools UWS supports in Cambodia and Myanmar (not individually listed in the article) vs schools UWS collaborates with.

Or is the point that a link from Portsmouth grammar school or Kings Education saying they work with UWS is not independent enough, but a link from the Japan Times saying British School of Tokyo work with UWS is independent enough?

Many thanks for your help with this. My Wikipedia career is off to shaky start, but it's a start!

Tinghuber2015 (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Verification of facts: Because the editors on Wikipedia are not professional fact-checkers, we depend on those who are, namely the editors of newspaper, magazines, journals, books, etc. Therefore, most information should be cited to a published document with editorial oversight, not someone's personal web page or social media.  Some very obvious information, such as the name of an organization or where its office is located can be sourced to the organization's web site if no other better source can be found. Everything else needs to be verified from these edited publications.
 * Notability: Wikipedia only has articles about well-known subjects that have been written about extensively in publications independent of the subject itself. To show that the United World Schools is a topic about which Wikipedia should have an article, the draft should include references to reports, reviews, magazine articles, etc., written by authors who have no conflict of interest in choosing this subject.  That means that web sites of schools who have received support, press releases prepared by the UWS, articles or announcements of upcoming events contributed to newspapers by its employees, information posted on its web site, etc., are discounted because they are not independent.

In your draft you have two news reports which are good sources. The academic paper is useful, although a little weak, since the information there is sourced back to the UWS brochure. The information on school websites has been written to promote the schools themselves, and the facts in them are not provided by a neutral source. Here's an article with a small mention: http://www.hinckleytimes.net/news/local-news/higham-hill-headteacher-cambodia-charity-6461255  &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 13:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Anne. That's really helpful. You're a star. I'll try and find some more references. Tinghuber2015 (talk) 23:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

11:17:54, 17 March 2015 review of submission by 212.198.181.146
Hello ,

tell me if i'm on the good way .... what is right or wrong or may be you can correct me or give me an advice Thank you

212.198.181.146 (talk) 11:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * Since you are writing a biography of a living person, your article needs to have in-line citations for all the information in the article. It is not enough to just have a list of references at the end. For information on adding in-line citations, see Referencing for beginners or Introduction to referencing. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

12:50:11, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Lauren
Hello, I was wondering if you could do an article on Georgie Aldous? He's a YouTube personality from England. I'd create an article because I work for the Local Newspaper in which he will be featured in on Friday but I don't know how to.

He's feature on the below links:

Famous Birthdays Wikitubia YouTube Twitter Website

He is very well known in our area of Great Yarmouth and surrounding Area's. I will have a notable link when I publish the Article on him around Friday.

If you search ' Georgie Aldous ' in Google you will find all relevant information about him.

Thanks for your time, Lauren. 86.16.65.102 (talk) 12:50, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Lauren, Wikipedia reports information only "after the fact," so you'll have to wait until that article, along with several others about him, is published. I've done a Google search and found no reliable sources of information, so it seems that it is simply too soon to have an article about him. Anon 124 (+2)   (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 19:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

13:03:33, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Shyamw1
My article was denied for submission because the footnoting was incorrect. Can you please look at it and tell me what's wrong. I want to edit it but I don't know what I am doing wrong although I read "Referencing for Beginners". Thank you.

Shyamw1 (talk) 13:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)


 * You almost have it. The  code should go a particular statement that the source supports. Right now, they're at the end, which is not very helpful for checking each statement.
 * For example:
 * Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia. It is one of the most popular sites on the Web.
 * This gives:
 * Wikipedia is a free online encyclopedia. It is one of the most popular sites on the Web.
 * Anon 124 (+2)  (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 19:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 13:12:12, 17 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by 86.131.108.169
I am trying to add a page about Reginald Waywell who was recently honored with a Doctorate in fine art by the Univeristy of Chester. He is a well known artist in Warrington Cheshire UK and has art work in the towns public gallery. He is very much worthy of a page on Wikipedia because he is the most well known artist in the North west of the UK. But you keep preventing the page because of referencing. I do not understand how to write HTML so have been struggling for three years now to get you to publish this article about Reginald Waywell. As I say I do not understand technical jargon so I am unable to even understand why my article keeps getting rejected.

86.131.108.169 (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 22:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, all articles about living people need to have in-line citations. If you need help adding references, see Referencing for Beginners or Introduction to Referencing. There are tools such as RefToolbar that can help you enter references without using any HTML. If you have a specific question about how to add a references, feel free to ask at The Teahouse. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

20:04:09, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Dr Fun111
I am not sure what the copyright infringement is (it's listed as unambiguous).

All of the text used in the wikipedia draft for "All Through The House Film" was taken directly from a press release on the film's website. Does that make it a copyright infringement? There are at least 15 blogs writing about the film "All Through The House", and most of them use the same language as the film's website/press release. So, if there is a copyright infringement, it is not with ZombiePrank.com, it is with the actual website for "All Through The House":

http://www.allthroughthehousemovie.com/holiday-horror-2015-pr/

http://zombieprank.com/related-news/trailer-stills-drop-for-the-christmas-themed-horror-film-all-through-the-house

Is it possible to quote directly from the film's press release to describe the movie and not have a copyright infringement? Please let me know how I may do that. Or, can I just remove the copyright infringements? I just need to know what they are so the submission is not rejected again. Thank you very much for your assistance.

Dr Fun111 (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly exists under a compatible licence and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to. You should attribute the content of a draft to outside sources, using citations, but copying and pasting or closely paraphrasing sources is not acceptable. The entire draft should be written using your own words and structure. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

21:02:47, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Dedimanullang
Dedimanullang (talk) 21:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * What is your question? I noticed that you tried to create an article in Indonesian. This is the English language Wikipedia, but did you know that there is an Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia? If you are more comfortable writing in the Indonesian language you should try to create your article there. --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

23:35:03, 17 March 2015 review of submission by Mlserio
I have citations to add and references but am having trouble using the tool to do that. For instance #7 reference should be Florida Stories from NPR where Elizabeth was featured, but the reference won't edit. She's also featured in Central Florida Radio online, has been featured in the Sarasota Herald Tribune and others. Mlserio (talk) 23:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

PAGE''' ]]) 17:09, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To edit that reference, you will need to edit the portion of the article where the link to the footnote appears, not the references section. Unforunately the RefToolbar tool can't edit existing references, it can only create new ones, so easiest way to edit the reference is to find it in the text, remove it, and use the tool to create a new one. For that particular reference, edit the "Career" section of the page and look for the following sentence. The highlighted portion is the reference, which you can either edit manually or delete and recreate using the tool:
 * --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK