Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 March 21

= March 21 =

05:00:55, 21 March 2015 review of submission by Arunharry2015
Arunharry2015 (talk) 05:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC) Hi

Have been trying to create this article on my late grand father Dr V Hariharan who was a freedom fighter, physician and social worker of repute during the first half of the 20th Century. Unfortunately, there is not much on him on the net barring a few references here and there as what i know of him, he was a true Gandhian who never believed in showcasing his work or claiming credit for what he did. This is just my small attempt to give a little due for what all he has done. The narrative is based on information i have gathered from living sources (people) who knew him, of which the dates, people and events mentioned I have been able to corroborate with actual events in history. Therefor, it is requested that the article be approved.


 * Personal recollections are not sufficiently reliable to verify encyclopedia facts. However, please be aware that sources do not need to be "on the net" in order to be reliable. Old newspapers or out of print books can be reliable sources and can be cited with date, title, page number, author and publisher and so on. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

05:19:37, 21 March 2015 review of draft by Мамуля007
I have found a lot of articles on the person I am writing about in different magazines and newspapers (for example in "The Oregonian"). I can order these articles and print them out, but can not provide a link to list them in References box. The links I could find so far seem not to be as notable. Could you please help me with the research of links for reliable sources or give me any suggestions? Мамуля007 (talk) 05:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Мамуля007 - You cite the sources that you have, it does not matter if there is no web link. To cite a newspaper or magazine article you need to include the following in the reference: newspaper/magazine title, date, article title, author's name (if there is one, if the article is from an agency then name the agency instead of the author), page number. That is enough information for someone to find the article in a library or archive collection. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

05:41:03, 21 March 2015 review of submission by Bonmee
I need help with an article that was declined due to notability. A first reviewer, Mr. Guye, stated "excellent draft here" (so I thought my article was in good shape), but had me include more verifiable sources before I resubmitted. However, my resubmission was then declined due to lack of notability in my article. I have reviewed the criteria for notability for "musicians and ensembles," and it states that my article "must meet at least one of the following criteria," while I have shown that the subject of my article meets more than one: "1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself." I have provided several verifiable sources that I believe meet that #1 criteria. Also, "4. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." References 10 and 11 in my article show that the subject has received coverage in independent reliable sources on tour with the artist Moby. In addition, "10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., ...performance in a television show." References 6 and 7 in my submitted article show that Julie Mintz has performed on both "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno" and "Conan." And finally, criteria "5. Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels." Julie Mintz has released 1 album on a notable indie label (see reference 12 and 13) that is responsible for major indie releases including Bat for Lashes and Warpaint. I understand if this final criteria is not permissible, as the subject of my article has not released two albums on this label. I feel like my article is being judged overly critically for notability. Can you please advise me how I should proceed and if there is a possibility of having my article re-reviewed? Or simply what I should do next? Thank so much! Bonmee (talk) 05:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC) Bonmee (talk) 05:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Bonmee - To get another review all you need to do is click the blue "Resubmit" button in the pink review box - but don't do it yet! While the references you now have do imho establish Mintz's notability there are some rather wide gaps in the referencing - the Early life and Early career sections in particular are not yet adequately referenced - only one statement in each of these sections are actually properly sourced. It is particularly important that her family background information, where claims about her relatives and her ethnicity and religion are stated, must be properly referenced. If you can't find a source for those claims rather remove them. The WP:EGRS rules are necessarily strict to protect the privacy and dignity of living people mentioned in articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Roger (Dodger67) thank you for clarifying for me where the referencing issues were getting in my way and also confirming that, at least in your opinion, I have established Mintz's notability. I made sure to properly source each statement or remove statements that I only thought to be true from being a sort of super-fan but that I couldn't verify through references. I've just resubmitted. Thanks again! Bonmee (talk) 20:10, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 11:16:58, 21 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Trankieuvan
I don't really know how to edit my draft to meet the requirements of wikipedia, especially "encyclopedia article". I have already deleted some "peacock" words and this draft I have from ASEAN Secretariat - Culture & Information Division.

Could you please help me to edit the article? Thank you very much!

Trankieuvan (talk) 11:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Copying material provided by the organisation itself is not a sensible starting point for an article. Until you can collect and cite multiple independent reliable sources that describe the organisation in detail, Wikipedia cannot have an article about the organisation. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 20:44:09, 21 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Mike-eastman
I have sent an article in about the London band Katch 22, it is a true report of events as they happened. I have tried to add photographs to corroborate the article but as I edit to make it similar to the layout of other 60's bands pages, the page does not load the same as it I make. Can someone edit it for me in the right format. I can send any further pictures as they are needed. Mike-eastman (talk) 20:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Mike-eastman (talk) 20:44, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


 * There are several problems here. First is that Wikipedia does not have, nor want, separate articles on all bands that ever existed. Katch 22 might not meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. There is more information about this at BAND.


 * Second is that articles are not assembled as a collection of images and videos, which is the sort of layout you seem to be trying to achieve. Wikipedia does not have good facilities to support such a layout, and the result, as you can see, is a mess. It's a lot easier to keep it as simple as possible... write in prose paragraphs, with simple layout as explained in CHEATSHEET, and using basic references as explained in Referencing for beginners.


 * Third is that collections of images and videos are not the sort of references that are needed to prove notability.


 * Fourth is that uploading large quantities of things like scans of adverts from magazines, is likely to run into problems with copyright... most such material is likely to get deleted if you don't demonstrate that the material is freely licensed. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:06, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Fifth is that you should also read Conflict of interest. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:07, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

22:59:09, 21 March 2015 review of submission by Bcornwell32
Bcornwell32 (talk) 22:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

In the article I'm creating i explain that David co-founded a group called 'polo buddies' and then i describe what the group is. would it help to add a reference to the website www.polobuddies.com after that explanation. Or would that not be helpful. thanks! PAGE''' ]]) 17:03, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * While there is nothing technically wrong with using the group's official page to verify basic facts, that citation would not help to show the notability of David or Polo Buddies, and a third-pary independent source would be greatly preferred. Also, if there is a specific page on the Polo Buddies website that verifies that David is the co-founder and the description, it would be better to link to that then just the home page.--Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK