Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2015 March 28

= March 28 =

06:18:59, 28 March 2015 review of submission by Pauwelsruben
I am having some trouble revising my page. To be specific, I am not sure how to deal with the comments by the reviewer. I just don't see how it was found to be more of an advertisement rather than a neutral article. Shouldn't a page about a scientist list all of his scientific contributions (publications, awards, other output)? How else could one judge whether or not this person is important enough to warrant a personal Wikipedia page? Doesn't a Wikipedia article about a novel writer list his books, an article about a singer lists his songs, etc.? The reviewer mentions the needs to include "independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed", which seems like a general (and valid) statement. However, the sources I am citing are not like newspaper articles written by him, about him; they are peer-reviewed scientific articles as well as publications by esteemed international organizations (e.g. IAEA). While these references are indeed produced by the person himself (with several exceptions, such as award pages), none of them are meant to 'advertise' the researcher in question, they are inherently neutral and merely serve to inform the reader what this person has established. Before preparing this page, I had looked at articles about other scientists in the same field, such as: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjiv_Sam_Gambhir (which was initially used as a template for both formatting and content) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_G._Farman (which contains bio, list of accomplishment and a list of key publications... just like my page) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_Kalender (a very brief bio) I don't see too many differences between these articles and mine in terms of content and tone...

Any suggestions on how to revise the page would be greatly appreciated. Also, would it be advisable to contact the reviewer who declined the page for discussions (or is this considered improper)?

Thank you very much for your assistance, Ruben

Pauwelsruben (talk) 06:18, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * It's often appropriate to contact the reviewer who declined the page, although a declining reviewer will often merely repeat the reasons already provided.


 * Anyway, I have moved this Draft into mainspace (accepted it) and it is now at Madan M. Rehani where it can be further improved. I have left a couple of maintenance templates on it to indicate outstanding issues. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 09:06, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

14:58:27, 28 March 2015 review of submission by Abdullah Al Wasif
I need more references to my article. if someone can assist me in translations of the words please do so. A.A.Wasif |  Talk   14:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC) PAGE''' ]]) 22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You might have better luck asking for help with translation at WikiProject Saudi Arabia, WikiProject Arab World, or Pages needing translation into English --Ahecht ([[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK

16:46:10, 28 March 2015 review of submission by Sandpitturtle
My article was not meant to be hummus, its factual

Sandpitturtle (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * It is actually a blatant attack page, I have tagged it for speedy deletion. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 23:22, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

20:31:17, 28 March 2015 review of submission by Dcw2003
Dcw2003 (talk) 20:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I have updated my draft, Abraham Jacob Hollandersky to shorten the intro section. The only problem is that some of my inline references portions of the reference is sucession, and no "ibids" are used, but I do not believe this is a staunch requirement of scholarly articles.

Other than that, this should be seen as an article well researched, well worded, and of some scholastic value. I spent nearly two years researching Abraham Hollandersky, and his boxing record.

Please let me know if I must make other changes, as I have made many, and would be willing to make additional ones if it would expedite the process of having the article accepted.

Thank each of you for your help!! I genuinely believe at least the text of this article should be acceptable, and I can assure you the sources are quite reliable, including the Landsmen article, as Marlene Silverman is a genealogist of over 25 years.


 * The article has been accepted, it is now at Abraham Jacob Hollandersky, congratulations! There is a maintenance tag at the top of the page pointing out a problem. It would be great if you can deal with it, otherwise I would suggest you ask WP:WikiProject Boxing for assistance, as that's where you'll find editors with specific interest in the topic. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Request on 22:38:37, 28 March 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Dcw2003
My article Abraham Jacob Hollandersky is now in draft form. I have spent nearly a week including 25 inline references which have the proper format and are from reliable sources. There are also two external links which includes Hollandersky's boxrec record (He was a boxer). Technically most of the information on his fights in the article come from BoxRec (Although I sight other sources if the fights do not appear in boxrec). I would appreciate an honest evaluation as to the liklihood of my article being accepted as is. I have studied many of the current wikipedia articles on boxers, and mine is I believe, more carefully referenced by comparison. The article, at this point, is also quite encyclopedic in its presentation, as far as I can tell. (I haved worked a bit as a professional technical writer) The one photograph is from Hollandersky's 1930 autobiography, and I believe copyright should not be an issue. It is the only photograph. I worked a bit with BoxRec editing many of the fights in Hollandersky's online record, and feel quite confident all the cited fights are indeed accurate and from reliable sources, most of which I personally checked myself. BoxRec is a reliable source that verifies their sources.

THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN PROVIDE, and I appreciate it greatly.

Dcw2003 (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems to have been accepted yesterday... well done! Arthur goes shopping (talk) 09:08, 30 March 2015 (UTC)