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= October 23 =

Request on 16:16:40, 23 October 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Meetcramer
I'm unsure of why my article is unable to be published. It meets three of the criteria for publishing of a musical artist.Meetcramer (talk) 16:16, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Meetcramer (talk) 16:16, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Which three of the notability criteria for musicians? Worldbruce (talk) 17:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

(1) Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. Billboard, Diffuser, Rolling Stone, Bob Marley.com, The Sentinel (2) Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. She was the main act and headliner of the Grammy Amplifier's 2015 Tour (major tour cities: Chicago, San Diego, Austin, DC, Long Island, etc) (9) Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition. I'm not sure if this will be posted as a reply, as I'm not quite fluent with Wikipedia yet. But this artist has been touring around the nation with the Grammys and The Recording Academy, her most noted appearance was headlining at Billboard's Hot 100 Festival in NY. Her name was all over the advertisements and lineups at music festivals and her songs are featured all around the DC-Metropolitan area for her work. She's partnered with Starbucks' seasonal playlists, etc etc…I'm not very sure of why the article cannot be included in Wikipedia. Thank you for your time, but I'm a bit confused.Meetcramer (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Let me start by saying that I agree that Cramer is notable. But it isn't as definite as you think, and reasonable people may disagree. Your username suggests that you may be interested in publicising Cramer. If so, you're in the wrong place, Wikipedia is not for promotion or "getting the word out". You also may not be the best positioned to evaluate her notability.


 * (1) Billboard (Partridge) is touting her performance at the Billboard Hot 100 Festival, and so is not independent. Rolling Stone is announcing her performance at a Rolling Stone event, so is not independent either, and is trivial coverage. If Bob Marley.com is evidence of notability, it really should be cited in the draft. For me, Diffuser.fm and The Sentinel together constitute the necessary significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources, but that's passing by the skin of her teeth.
 * (2) Several of the cited sources alude to a future tour. Billboard (SXSW) says that she performed four songs on a festival stage in Texas. If she played Chicago, San Diego, Austin (in addition to SXSW?), DC, Long Island, etc. I would expect the draft to say so, and cite several sources describing in some depth how her tour went.
 * (9) Grammy Amplifier may be a major music competition, but I see no evidence that Wikipedia has ever regarded it as such before. If her notability hinged on this point, it would be wise to establish a consensus in advance (at Wikipedia talk:Notability (music), for example) regarding whether the competition is major or not.


 * If you have any connection to Cramer, you should disclose it. If you proceed with this draft, try to bolster the evidence that she passes one of the above notability criteria. If that proves difficult, consider waiting six months or a year until her career is more advanced and she has attracted more independent attention from reliable sources. Worldbruce (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2015 (UTC)