Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 April 9

= April 9 =

02:52:08, 9 April 2016 review of submission by 142.68.63.151
142.68.63.151 (talk) 02:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi I'm wondering why my article Draft: Rbc morphology was declined. As far as I know, it doesn't read like an essay. I have no opionions in the article.If there are opionions, they are of the authors I wrote the articles from. Everything was cited. 142.68.63.151 (talk) 02:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC) Sion55 (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Request on 07:47:23, 9 April 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by FrazeFento
To whom it may concern, I am having trouble submitting an artical on Ron Fenton, South Africa Theatre Personality, first it was formatting, which I re-did. The second time I submitted, it got rejected on the grounds of notability. My subject is a notable personality in South African Theatre History, documented as a theatre personality. He has acted in a large number of professional plays, acted alongside many famous people. I put in links to productions he was in, referenced the famous people he worked with. Can you please let me know what is is exactly that my artical lacks, with a view to improve?

I still need to populate with his individual written works. Although, Theatre in South Africa is not documented too well in the 1970's, due to aparthied and other politicsl struggles. And amazed what i have found, hence the prompt to put Ron Fenton on Wikipedia. I am still looking for new resources. I was hoping it would get approved so hopefully to prompt orhers to add in or content

Look forward to hearing from you

Frazer Fenton.

FrazeFento (talk) 07:47, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . It sounds as though you're thinking of "notability" as it is used in common parlance, rather than the specific way Wikipedia defines it. "Notable" in Wikipedia means meeting the criteria of one or more notability guidelines. The most applicable guidelines in this case are notability of actors and notability of creative professionals (authors and directors). Demonstrating notability generally comes down to proving that reliable secondary sources independent of the subject have written about the subject in depth. Acting in a large number of professional plays, acting alongside many famous people, and writing many plays does nothing to establish notability.


 * A theater's program listing cannot help establish notability because it is not independent (it has a vested interest in promoting the actor/writer/director). The program listings cited by the draft are also not in-depth, they merely mention Fenton in a cast list. Furthermore, Wikipedia is usually interested in the actors who played King Lear or Marc Anthony, not so much in those who played the role of Messenger. The draft mentions the existence of two newspaper reviews. Those might help establish notability. They are presumably independent, but do they cover Fenton at length or are they just general reviews of the play? --Worldbruce (talk) 15:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

11:06:02, 9 April 2016 review of submission by Lindadownunder
Hi I am requesting help because I am trying to contribute a list of Wonggie words to Wikipedia. I am trying to contribute to the next free column which is the 5th column - I hope it can be seen if you click on the link here http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Swadesh_lists_for_Australian_languages

However I don't know if I'm doing it correctly or not now, because HausterBot left a message to say that my entry here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wong-gie_dialect  is only a draft and will be deleted shortly. I don't know if he means the general info about the Wonggie language I submitted or my list of Swadesh words will be deleted or both.

Unfortunately because I couldn't see a reply button, I couldn't work out how to communicate with HausterBot, to ask him what step I've missed out. All I could think of was trying to explain it here.

I'm guessing the email from HausterBot means the general information and/or the list words I've typed in haven't been submitted correctly so they aren't "live" or available for others to view. If I've missed some step,please would you mind emailing me.

There aren't many copies of the Wong-gie dictionary I am using to make the Swadesh list, and the aboriginal dialect is disappearing, so I thought it would be useful to catalogue as many of the Wonggie words as possible and put them up onto Wikipedia for others to use. Sorry, because this is the first time I've contributed to Wikipedia and I'm not very internet savvy, I need a bit more guidance than most. Thanks kindly Lindadownunder

11:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC) Lindadownunder (talk) 11:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC) Lindadownunder (talk) 11:06, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

13:38:11, 9 April 2016 review of submission by Twatface666
Dear sir madam, please can you tell me how to upload a photograph please?

Twatface666 (talk) 13:38, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Request on 13:43:07, 9 April 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Twatface666
Hello there, I see my article has been declined. The thing is, it's about "Malcolm Stephen "Scruff" Lewty", and I AM Malcolm Stephen "Scruff" Lewty. I'm actually writing about myself.

Does this clear everything up at all ?

Sincerely

Malcolm Lewty.

Twatface666 (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Unlike Facebook or MySpace, Wikipedia is not a place for people to write about themselves. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources have published about a person, not what a person says about themselves. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Request on 16:22:55, 9 April 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by WVUHistorian9
Article reviewed but not accepted. I need to know what I can do to revise so it will be accepted.

WVUHistorian9 (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Outstanding choice of topic! I've added a further reading section with eight independent, reliable, secondary sources. That should settle any questions about notability. I also added links to some of the references so readers can quickly access them or figure out how to access them.


 * Two of the references cited are problematic. (1) "Layman Gets National Job Newspaper Article" is an insufficient description. For a reader to find that source they would need at least the name of the newspaper and the publication date. Include author, publication location, and page number too if you have them. (2) "Lloyd Layman Archival Collection, West Virginia University State Fire Training Academy" sounds like a primary source closely connected to Layman (his letters and personal papers?) Such material may be used in Wikipedia, but only very carefully. Original research is not allowed. Also, archive collections typically consist of multiple boxes containing multiple items. Any citation needs to be as specific as possible regarding which item in the collection supports the statement where cited.


 * Try to replace citations of the archive with the secondary sources that have been added to further reading. If you don't have access to the two subscription ones, you can get them through WP:RX or use Special:EmailUser to email me and I'll reply with the two pdfs as attachments. Finally, revisit the lead with Writing better articles and Manual of Style/Lead section in mind. I've given the reader a bit more context by putting the dates of birth and death in the first sentence. Consider adding nationality (remember we're read from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe), postponing the long list of job titles in favor of a very concise description of profession (police chief and fire chief), and not burying what he's notable for (revolutionized firefighting). Once you have the reader hooked you can give a more thorough explanation. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)