Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 August 20

= August 20 =

Request on 11:42:10, 20 August 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Gianmcap
Greetings and thank you for the help,

I have tried to add this entry twice and i am told by the reviewer that the person is not notable enough and that my citations are not adequate. I dont really understand why since the entry is about a person who is a Knight of the Order of St George, is CEO of a Billion dollar company and recently married the Princess of Jordan who is the sister of the King of Jordan. Additionally he is a registered Lobbyist in Ontario.

I have cited sources such as the Jordan Times, Companies House in the UK and the Order of St George.

Please could you help me to understand what I am doing wrong in getting this approved? I had shown it to people on the chat and they didnt point out any issues with it so i thought that this time it was ok. I just had it refused again and I would like to ensure i can fix it to the level that will be accepted by Wikipedia.

Thanks again Gian

Gianmcap (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to the Articles for Creation help desk. Notability has a highly specialized meaning on Wikipedia. Essentially it comes down to "has the subject received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject"? What the person is, what they have done, and who they have done it with are not directly relevant, although those things may have influenced whether independent reliable sources have written about them.


 * Of the cited sources, Defence Unlimited is not independent. The Order of St George (this particular one, by the way, is not a well-known or significant award or honor), University of Toronto, Companies House, and The Canadian Association of Defence and Security Industries don't mention him. (You may be missing the point of inline citations. When the draft states "he gained a B.Comm – Accounting from the University of Toronto", you need a reference that says as much. A reference that merely shows the University of Toronto exists is useless.) Companies House (beta) is a directory listing, not significant coverage. The Royal Forums does not have the characteristics of a reliable source. Finally, The Jordan Times is a passing mention, a mere two sentences.


 * Searching Google Books, Google newspapers, newspapers.com, newspaperarchive.com, Google scholar, EBSCO, Gale, HighBeam, JSTOR, and The New York Times for "Ed Banayoti" produced zero results. Searching Google and Google News returned a few results, but no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Perhaps searching by a variation of his name, or searching in additional places, would be more successful, but it looks like you've chosen a topic that cannot meet Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. No amount of editing can overcome that.

16:21:42, 20 August 2016 review of submission by DHeidtman
DHeidtman (talk) 16:21, 20 August 2016 (UTC) My article was declined citing that it read more like advertising than an article. I would like to resubmit with a neutral voice and am looking for advice. Appreciate any help!

Slicksosa (talk) 21:44, 20 August 2016 (UTC) My article was declined citing that it read more like advertising thwan an article. I would like to resubmit with a neutral voice and am looking for advice. Appreciate any help!


 * Hi /. Your draft is looking in much better shape now. Just stick to the facts. Remember, Wikipedia is here simply to tell our readers what a company does and what it's known for, not to promote or aggrandise it in any way. Joe Roe (talk) 00:36, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Joe Thanks for your feedback. Please note that Slicksosa in not connected to me and I am unclear as to why Slicksosa repeated my question. Anyway... unfortunately, an editor declined the article citing lack of Notability. I thought my references were independent and reliable?DHeidtman (talk) 19:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * . I've suggested on the draft how it might be improved. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Worldbruce, thanks for your helpful feedback and most appreciate the references! DHeidtman (talk) 19:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)