Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 August 30

= August 30 =

01:28:49, 30 August 2016 review of draft by Eurydice2016
How do I highlight or mark the "notable" names and entries that are found within Wikipedia? I tried entering the first web address for James Dwight Dana, but instead of his name showing up as a blue link, an arrow to the link appeared. Please advise. This is my first submission to Wikipedia and I am trying to learn how to do it. Eurydice2016 (talk) 01:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Answered at Help desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

06:28:39, 30 August 2016 review of submission by 2604:2000:E016:A700:354B:B296:1058:7227
First, the reviewer was way too involved and emotional (he even attacked me, apparently confused, accusing me of misrepresenting ... when that was obviously not true).

Then, after this long discussion, with his accusation, he decides he is the one to review (and decline) the page?

This leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Why should I try to contribute if people act like this?

See our discussion.

On the talk page of that article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Temtchine

And on his talk page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:David.moreno72#Hi

Can someone who is not involved, and is not a buddy of his who chats on his talk page, please take an honest third party look? That would be a step forward.

This is not a very good way to get people to believe the goal is working together.


 * Welcome, . You are correct that a disambiguation page may include a red link, so long as an article also includes that red link. You are also correct that Dummy (film) and Villalobos Brothers link to Richard Temtchine. So it's okay for a disambiguation page to include a link to Richard Temtchine.


 * However, Temtchine is not, and should not be, a disambiguation page. Chloe Temtchine, Richard Temtchine, and Sybil Temtchine require no disambiguation. A disambiguation page would be in order if the entries were something like: Richard Temtchine, Richard Temtchine (chemist), Richard Temtchine (politician), Rich Temtchine, Dick Temtchine. Instead Temtchine is a set index article, which is explicitly not a disambiguation page, so rules for red links on disambiguation pages don't apply to it. Entries must follow list inclusion criteria. Generally that means entries must have pre-existing articles, although some editors will accept a red link so long as it is backed up by inline citations to three in-depth, independent, reliable sources. Such sources prove that the entry is notable even if it doesn't have a Wikipedia article yet. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:16, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks World.

First - can you please talk to the editor who kept on insisting that what you said is not true? About red links in such pages. That would be very helpful. Because otherwise he will be treating other people this way. Read his talk page for our discussion.

Second - if you take the guy's first name, Richard, there is a page called Richard with lots of people named Richard. Who have different last names.

Are you saying those pages are ok. They just have to be called a different name? Like here, Temtchine? And not called a disambiguation page? They are all over wikipedia.

Third, I did give sources for the red links. But that is not acceptable on those pages I was told. The sources were But that same editor who said a red link is not ok on a disambiguation page, and who deleted everything only because he misunderstood that- which was only about one name on the list, also deleted all the footnotes. Leaving nothing. What he did was not nice and did not seem to be him trying to work together with me.2604:2000:E016:A700:858A:BC30:5139:68A8 (talk) 03:53, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The sources you supplied fail to prove notability. The New York Times is trivial coverage, essentially a cast and crew list. IMDB is user-generated, and thus not a reliable source. The New York Observer is an interview. To the extent that it is Temtchine talking about Temtchine, it is not independent and cannot show notability. Whether the interviewer provides enough analysis to treat a portion of it as an independent secondary source is open to debate, but even if part of it contributes to establishing notability, a single source is never enough to demonstrate notability. So I've removed Richard Temtchine from the set index article Temtchine.


 * If you would like to know more about articles, lists, set index articles, and disambiguation pages, I recommend:
 * Stand-alone lists
 * Set index articles
 * Disambiguation
 * --Worldbruce (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

16:28:02, 30 August 2016 review of submission by Richard3120
Hi, the above draft article was started and then abandoned in 2013 by a long-since departed editor – I've taken it upon myself to update it and add reliable sources, and I believe it is now in a position to be reviewed and moved to mainspace if accepted. I've never done this before, so is there anything else I need to do? I would also add that I believe that the article title should be changed: "Festival Estéreo Picnic" is the official name in Spanish, so it should be anglicised to "Estéreo Picnic Festival" or simply "Estéreo Picnic", its common name. Thanks.

Richard3120 (talk) 16:28, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You can move it from Draft:Festival Estéreo Picnic to Draft:Estéreo Picnic or whatever name you think best fits with policy Article titles. To submit the draft for review, add  to the top of the draft. There's a considerable backlog, so it could be several weeks before someone reviews it. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:46, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, – the backlog isn't an issue because it'll be a couple of months before the press even start talking about the 2017 festival, so the article isn't going to change much in the meantime... I can make alterations at leisure to it. Richard3120 (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Edit: hang on, I've just found that another editor has independently recently created Estereo Picnic Festival (no WikiProject tags, so it wasn't easy to find). So what I'll do is copy my changes across to that article as it is already in mainspace, and then put the draft up for deletion. Thanks for your help, anyway. Richard3120 (talk) 22:26, 30 August 2016 (UTC)