Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 February 10

= February 10 =

04:36:23, 10 February 2016 review of submission by Rajasekhar1961
Rajasekhar1961 04:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC) I need help regarding Draft:P. Sambasiva Rao. He is a film director with good credentials. His Mrigathrushna has got international recognition by the critics. Can you let me know the defects and how to make a good article out of it. Thanking you.Rajasekhar1961 04:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

11:55:33, 10 February 2016 review of submission by Bradrimm
Bradrimm (talk) 11:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I understand quotations need to be properly referenced to a reliable source. However I'm unsure if it's possible to reference an "unreliable" WP site that references "reliable" text? For example if a WP site references the Federal Reserve Bank, would the contribution to WP site be acceptable?
 * Welcome to the Help Desk! In general, you should use reliable sources as citations. Other Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources, so even if you see fact A about the Federal Reserve Bank at, say, Federal Reserve Bank, that doesn't mean you can cite fact A in your draft. Instead, you should go directly to the reliable sources for information about fact A—perhaps the references cited at Federal Reserve Bank, or references you find online or in print. You can use WP:RS to help you assess whether a source is reliable—usually, they are from places with editorial oversight and a reputation for fact-checking. I hope that answers your question; let me know here if I didn't understand it correctly.
 * On another note, it appears that the content of Draft:Kappak has been copied from another source—a copyrighted website. In the future, please avoid copying content directly or closely paraphrasing content from copyrighted sources. It's very important to always write content in your own words. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  14:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @Wiae


 * Hi Wiae,


 * Thanks for your support, but I'm getting more confused with Wiki feedback.
 * My two contribution attempts were rejected,
 * (1) Kappak (game) was original content written by myself on voyiran.com. The content was from my own article on voyiran.com, and the any facts were retrieved from an interview I had with the Ministry of Culture and Heritage of that province in Iran. No English content exists for this article other than what I have published on Voyiran, as myself via original research. I cannot imagine violating my own work: How do you suggest I proceed as a contributor if I cannot reference my own work?
 * (2) I added to an existing article from "Iran Crown Jewels". The content was likewise sourced from my own WP website (voyiran.com), the information was written by myself. The facts (if any) already existed from the tourist information supplied by the "National Treasury of Iran" who are the propriety owners of the jewels. I had paraphrased the English into my own words as the original texts were poorly translated, and not published by Penguine/ Oxford etc. How do you suggest I contribute this information into Wikipedia? I can edit the article on voyiran.com if needed to include the source from IRAN TREASURY. Any advise to steps I need to take in the future would be greatly appreciated.


 * Many thanks,
 * Brad
 * Bradrimm (talk) 15:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello again! In order to use text which is protected by copyright, the copyright-holder must license it for use on Wikipedia. I'm sure you are the author of the voyiran page, but as you may know, anyone online could claim to be the author of a site. (After all, on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.) So Wikipedia will need some proof that you, the author, have licensed the text for use on Wikipedia. To do so, just follow the instructions at this policy page about donating copyrighted materials. (There's an email partway down the page that you'll use to get in touch with our our permissions team.) This process doesn't happen immediately, so it might take a bit of time. In the interim, the Draft:Kappak page may be deleted, but if the permissions and licensing details are worked out, the page would then be restored.
 * Another course of action would be to simply rewrite the content so that it is not a direct copy or close paraphrase of the voyiran content. However, when it comes to the Iranian Crown Jewels page, I'm not sure that voyiran would be considered a reliable source, as it appears to be a blog and I'm not sure about its fact-checking or editorial oversight regime.
 * I hope this helps. Let us know if you have further questions. /wiae   /tlk  16:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * @Wiae: Hi Wiae, it's starting to make more sense re: copywrite. However the last aspect, requiring text to be from a reliable source, I have read local content doesn't need higher order edited works. Is this correct? For instance some cultural knowledge of a specific area cannot easily be referenced, but is nonetheless useful for public information. In this circumstance can 'qualitative' knowledge on Wikipedia reference a blog type website? Or is there no way of referencing small cultural websites? Eg: a blog says: "Aboriginal Australians have many different ways of hunting and gathering. The culture in the tropics around the Gulf of Queensland rely heavily on fishing, whilst the aborigines around Alice Springs generally eat grubs and reptiles.".. If Wikipedia references this with "Aboriginals eat different varieties of foods depending on the region of Australia they live." This is qualitative, yet cannot be easily disputed as it is a cultural fact. Would you suggest I not contribute to Wikipedia, or is there a way I'm able to support the community with missing cultural information via voyiran.com. Thanks


 * Bradrimm (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Blogs and self-published sources can be used in very limited circumstances, but they are generally not useful as general references. (Of course, trivially obvious, common knowledge statements like "different people sometimes eat different cuisines depending on where they live", probably don't need a citation. However, if you are going to discuss the actual cuisines in a region, that would need a good-quality reference.) As for Voyiran, it does look like a blog, and is thus not a great source for Wikipedia's purposes. On Wikipedia we're not so interested in one's personal encounter with a subject; rather, the focus is on recounting what reliable secondary sources have said about the subject. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  18:05, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

@Wiae It appears regardless of the style of writing Wikipedia does not want content from small website sources. I research cultural topics I'm genuinely interested in, not for profit, but because it's largely not already available on the internet. I would like to share useful information with Wikipedia as I add it to our website, but frankly there is no incentive to rewrite fresh cultural content for Wikipedia, especially when not easily verifiable as 'English citations.' You noted "Kappak (game)" would be accepted if I authorised it, then replied the source is not appropriate. If Wikipedia doesn't want contributions from small groups such as ourselves, then I should probably keep any content to myself. Have a good day and thank you for your help Wiae.

Bradrimm (talk) 05:49, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

13:58:10, 10 February 2016 review of submission by TwinZillyaOEM
I would like to inform you that the page Zillya! is not advertisement. It's just information about our company. We have very old page about one of our product (ru:Zillya! ) on russian language. We would like to add the page about our company to global Wikipedia and connect it with our old page.

If you think that our article is advertisement please specify which information we should to change?TwinZillyaOEM (talk) 13:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Help Desk! Some of the content in the draft does seem promotional to me, including phrases like "the only antivirus laboratory... that successfully develops cyber security and antivirus software". That will either need an explicit citation showing that it is the only such company, or it will need to be rephrased more neutrally, like "Zillya! is a Ukrainian company that develops antivirus software", for example. Other text that seems promotional to me includes "recognized for high quality and reliability", "a range of certificates that proves the quality of the products and technologies of virus detection", and most of the Products section.
 * As you work on the draft, keep in mind that the proper encyclopedic tone is one that neutrally describes the subject, but does not make any attempt to "sell" the product. A "just-the-facts" approach is usually best. Also, keep in mind that if you are affiliated with the company, then you have a conflict of interest, which will make it difficult to write neutrally and objectively about the subject. That's one reason why conflict-of-interest editing is discouraged on Wikipedia. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  14:07, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Request on 17:36:56, 10 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Kalujames
I'm in the process of trying to get an article on a musician approved and I'm having trouble keeping it from sounding too "promotional" and autobiographical. I've removed any peacock language and tried to keep it strictly informational based on the sources - any tips on how to alter verbiage to fit wiki standards?

Also, is it possible to still get an article approved if most of the sources are local/state based? Any help would be appreciated!

Kalujames (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Request on 18:41:43, 10 February 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Jeromefl
Jeromefl (talk) 18:41, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

19:37:57, 10 February 2016 review of submission by 2601:240:CC04:1700:9DE1:5C51:D39E:331D
My dad and I use KlowdTV to watch soccer and I was interested in getting into creating Wiki articles (assignment for high school). I was trying to figure out what language in the article is considered 'overly promotional.' All the information in here has been covered by publications; none of it comes from the brand itself.

I based my structure for the KlowdTV article on Sling TV, which reads very much like a promo piece for the brand. The 'History' section is seven paragraphs long. I have also come accross articles like Ducktv, which seems to have been approved despite having only one source. How is the approval process for Wikipedia articles kept consistent accross different articles? Again, I am a newbie just trying to complete a wikipedia page for a HS assignment. Thanks for your feedback! 2601:240:CC04:1700:9DE1:5C51:D39E:331D (talk) 19:37, 10 February 2016 (UTC)