Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 January 14

= January 14 =

00:00:12, 14 January 2016 review of submission by Jon Ingram 33
My draft page "David John Edward Ingram" has been declined by Robert McLenon, I would be grateful to know the reason please...

Jon Ingram 33 (talk) 00:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The reason is explained in the pink box at the top of the draft, and in the message on your user talk page. The words in blue in those messages are wikilinks to pages which give you more information.  The reviewer also gave a comment, immediately below the pink box on the draft, to explain what you need to do.  --David Biddulph (talk) 01:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Request on 04:00:00, 14 January 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Cldsk
Hello, I have the page Robert Hanley approved, and we recently added a headshot photo. The actor sent in the below email to the permissions email for the Creative Commons License waiver, and got the response (also below). A few days later, though, the photo was removed, with no explanation as why. Can someone let me know why that would be the case and how we can get a photo approved? He owns the copyright of the photo (not the photographer) and sent in the license permission - all of this was what was outlined in the adding photo wiki, so I am unsure what I did wrong.

Many thanks!

I hereby affirm that I, Robert Hanley, the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of both the work depicted and the media as shown here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanley

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the following free license: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International.

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work, even in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that the copyright holder always retains ownership of the copyright as well as the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by the copyright holder.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Robert Hanley Copyright Holder 12/22/2015

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Thank you for your help! Chris Cldsk (talk) 04:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Cldsk (talk) 04:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

07:36:38, 14 January 2016 review of submission by Jon Ingram 33
Robert McClenon reviewed my article on my father, who was well known in his academic field of physics particularly in the 60s. He then turned to university administration the peak of his achievements was becoming the Vice-Chancellor (the position of Chancellor is nominal) of the University of Kent (South East England) a university which began in the 60s and has a very substantial academic achievement record. I set out the various bodies that he was involved in and gave a link to the Wikipedia entry for the New Years Honours list (1991) which shows that he was awarded the CBE (Commander of the British Empire) this honour sounds old fashioned and irrelevant but in fact it is one of the highest official recognitions granted by the Queen. It was granted for my father's service to education. In my opinion, and that of many in this country, that fully satisfies any requirement of notability. But Robert McClenon seems not to agree. I would be grateful to know how, if possible, I could satisfy Wikipedia's notability concerns. I also note that there was a concern that the article was written by his son. If it assists I am a Barrister who would be disbarred if I deliberately tried to publish anything dishonest! I can be found at www.5sah.co.uk under members (Jonathan Ingram) Jon Ingram 33 (talk) 07:36, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Jon Ingram 33, the decline by Robert McClenon is really a matter of technicality, I'm quite sure he's not implying anything about your bona fides. The "Connected contributor" disclaimer is also just a temporary measure, until a neutral editor has had the time to check that the language in the article is fair and neutral and that no significant published adverse information has been left out. It can be very difficult for writers that are close to their subject to avoid some adjectives, so that just needs to be checked. I will now format the references correctly, which IMHO will resolve the reason why it was initially declined. I will also sort the content into sections. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * You forgot to tell us what the draft is; presumably it is Draft:David John Edward Ingram?  In which case you presumably didn't read what Robert said.  He didn't say that your father didn't satisfy the notability requirements.  The first sentence of the feedback box says "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability.", which is an understatement as the draft doesn't include any references.  Robert gave you very useful advice in a comment, the first sentence of which says "Change external links in article body to properly formatted references.".  Both the pink feedback box and the comment include words in blue to indicate that they are wikilinks to relevant help pages, which I would recommend that you read.   - David Biddulph (talk) 08:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I now see that you had already asked a similar question at above. - David Biddulph (talk) 08:47, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I have done some of the formatting fixes. The main outstanding problem is the lack of sources. So far all we really have is references for his books. The reference for Prof. Zeppler doesn't mention Ingram at all and the references for two of his siblings don't actually evidence the relationship, it only really proves the existence of people who have those names. There is also a quote from The Times which is also unreferenced. His academic career also has no sources at all, and the CBE should be referenced to either the original gazette announcement or a news article about it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

10:30:23, 14 January 2016 review of submission by Emeb
I manually added links to the Lookeen page in other languages at the bottom of the page, but I think there must be an easier "cleaner" way of doing this. Any ideas? I think I used the the old way. Thanks! Emeb (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC) Emeb (talk) 10:30, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


 * @Emeb I removed the links, such links are handled in WikiData, ut more importantly we never link drafts like this, only articles in mainspace. The links can be added to WikiData only after the draft has been accepted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * @Roger (Dodger67) Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't sure if I did it correctly or not. The more you know...Emeb (talk) 10:08, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

14:15:31, 14 January 2016 review of draft by 87.81.237.158
I cannot upload any photograph in order to enrich the article.87.81.237.158 (talk) 14:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)Guido Ratti

87.81.237.158 (talk) 14:15, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

14:17:07, 14 January 2016 review of submission by Cbradley098
Cbradley098 (talk) 14:17, 14 January 2016 (UTC) why was is declined?
 * If you are referring to User:Cbradley098/sandbox, then the draft was declined because it was an editing test. It's fine to use your sandbox to test Wikipedia markup and syntax, but you don't need to submit those editing tests for review. The Articles for Creation process reviews drafts that are destined for the main article space. Thanks, /wiae  ★  /tlk  14:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

14:19:40, 14 January 2016 review of submission by 182.77.69.241
respected sir, i have started a campain for awareness for nature by taking people to unspolied places in sagar zone,this is not done before, as this iniciative is novel in its approach i dont have any refences for this as this gruop is very new, how can i give refence and third person refence when my iniciative is so novel that it is not done earlier,,, i request you to accept my page for upload, i will edit new refences and upload pictures,you can check our gruop events on face book /sagar trekekrs and adventure ..
 * Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk! Unfortunately, if the campaign is very new and it has not been discussed in many references, then it is not ready for its own Wikipedia article just yet. Articles about organizations like yours need significant, in-depth coverage from a variety of reliable sources in order to be suitable for acceptance. Facebook is generally not a reliable source, and the group's Facebook page is too closely connected to the organization itself to be an independent source.
 * Perhaps if the campaign receives media coverage in the future, that would be a more appropriate time to try resubmitting. I'll also note that you should be aware of Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, as editing an article about something you are affiliated with may lead to a conflict of interest, which is discouraged on Wikipedia. Thanks! /wiae  ★  /tlk  21:42, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

18:26:48, 14 January 2016 review of submission by Np2393
Hello, I"m having a hard time actually inserting the footnotes, is it okay if someone who is more experienced simply copies the references at the bottom of my article and inserts the footnotes in for me? I tried several times, but I ended up deleting some crucial info. If someone could please do that for me, I'd highly appreciate it! Np2393 (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

21:37:53, 14 January 2016 review of submission by HopeChristina
My page on Prevent Human Trafficking was declined, and I wanted to know why. Thank you!

Preventhumantrafficking (talk) 21:37, 14 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HopeChristina (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, did you read the comment at the top of your draft which the reviewer left you? The main problem is you're citing the organization talking about itself, but what we require is other people talking about the organization.


 * If a person, company, org, or whatever says on their own page that they're the best thing in the world, that doesn't really matter much because that's just their own opinion of themselves, right? But if, say, the Washington Post says "John Smith is the world's most accomplished violinist", then that's probably a more objective opinion endorsed by an expert journalist, editors at the Post, and something they expect their readership will find credible.


 * So best advice, don't at all bother quoting PHT about itself, or linking to its YouTube videos or "About Us!" page. None of that is objectively credible since an organization can't be objective about itself. Instead, check on Google for books, newspapers, etc. that discuss this group (under its present or current name) and critically examine its actions, impacts, significance, etc. We need to see that outside experts have found this group to be something they expect readers would be interested in. We can expect the group finds itself interesting, but we only need an article if other people can be expected to find it interesting, and the best way to prove that is to show that uninvolved people have found it something worth examining and documenting. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:10, 14 January 2016 (UTC)