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= January 5 =

06:46:24, 5 January 2016 review of submission by Sowmyaaum
I have added all notability references and citations from google (including date, author, title and work) and I think the celebrity on whom I am trying to create an article on has enough notability according to your guidelines. I have not added any facebook or linkedin links to show notability but real time articles from the web. Why does the article still get rejected? Sowmyaaum (talk) 06:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

11:46:21, 5 January 2016 review of submission by Alfshire
RE to Draft:Glen Gabriel; I have acted on reviewer suggestions and made changes - particularly notability, as I've shown the subject has composed music for several Hollywood films featuring well known stars. As there have been no further reviews since December 28th I now assume the article can be accepted for inclusion as a Wikipedia page. Please can this be arranged. Thanks, AlfshireAlfshire 11:46, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Onel5969 has left a helpful comment on the draft with some policy links that will be a useful read. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  02:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Edwin Christiaan
Excerpts from the book “I REMEMBER – The Life of a Prophet”

I remember desperately saying to God during a church meeting I was invited for in the early eighties, “If it’s really true that you exist, come into my life and change me.” Immediate, it was like a chain broke inside of me and I was so deeply convicted of my sins, I couldn’t stop crying for two days. I was so overwhelmed by God’s forgiving love and mercy.

Sometime later, I remember meeting an elderly Christian lady, whose joy and purpose in life was to pray. She told me that she wanted to adopt me as her spiritual son and committed to pray for me just like she was praying for another young man. She leaned forward and looked intensely at me and told me in a tender voice, “God told me to tell you that you will always live by the Word of God.” She paused a moment, and continued, “Also, I see that you will become a prophet of God.”

I received the word wholeheartedly, yet not totally understanding at the time what it meant. Later on, I found out that the other young man she also adopted as her spiritual son had gone astray and left God. Hearing this saddened me, but it made me grateful that I have been able to hold on to my faith all these years and in all the things I have been through. That specific word the lady gave me has become the cornerstone of my life – living by the Word of God. This book testifies of my life experiences and that of my wife, Sophia, whom I am so grateful for. She is truly the love of my life, my soul mate, helper, and a great mother to our beautiful little child.

I want to dedicate this book to the elderly Christian lady, who gave me this defining description of what my life would turn out to be all about. I am also dedicating it to all the spiritual leaders all over the world, who have impacted my life in various ways. The humble and gentle elderly lady is most likely with the Lord right now and I never knew her real name because we just called her “Grandma,” but I will never forget her face. What God did through her was give me direction and identity, and today, so many years later, it brings tears to my eyes to know that God was with me back then, and that He has kept me to this day, always showing His faithfulness to me in so many countless ways.

My life as a minister

In 1988, after attending a missionary school and Bible seminar, God called me to start an outreach ministry among young people in Holland, particularly among the punkers and alternative youth, and I gave it the name God’s Pleasure. The ministry was under the supervision of an existing church, and by God’s grace, it grew from nothing to a church of about 300 members in 7 years. Many gave their lives to Jesus Christ and were set free from drug and alcohol addiction. We also saw many miracles of healing and restoration.

The church was able to buy what we called “boys and girls homes” in order to rehabilitate those who needed it, and also to promote Biblical living and sharing together. Besides weekly Bible studies and Church services, we also organized Christian rock concerts where the heavy metal band, Decision D, became one of the house bands and later became well known. We ultimately had about 35 people working full-time in the ministry.

As the years went by, the media started picking up on the unusual activities we were doing as a church, mainly the part about having a Christian heavy metal band in the church, which I was the leader and lead singer of, but also because of our radical approach in preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ and hosting a Christian rock music show on the national radio.

Through the media exposure, we started experiencing resistance from the religious establishment in Holland, who didn’t like the way we operated as a vibrant, young, different church.

In 1994, God told me to move to the United States, to the city of Houston, Texas. I told my staff at the time that I wanted to resign as the leader of the church. They felt it wasn’t the right time, so I was stalling, trying to find God’s perfect timing for my move. In reality, I was struggling with the fact that I was disobeying God by not leaving when He told me to. My wife, at that time, didn’t want to go to America and resisted and rejected me strongly. She hated America.

During this time of me wanting to leave, two adult girls came to the church. They claimed they were abused at home and wanted the protection of the church. My then wife and some of the staff members wanted the girls to be admitted to the Girls-houses, to which I strongly disagreed. I sensed trouble. One of the girls’ mother was very much a strong and outspoken woman in the religious environment, who also had a lot of influence in the ears of many pastors at the time. Even though I felt warned, I eventually gave in to my wife and the staff members’ urging, against my better judgment.

Sure enough, the mother of one of the girls started persecuting us as a church and me as a person through the media, claiming we were holding her daughter from her. We suffered greatly for that.

I slowly started to understand which spiritual forces I was dealing with, and discerned the mother’s spirit to be the notorious evil Jezebel Spirit. This was a different form of the Jezebel Spirit that I was familiar with because of growing up with a Jezebel mother. I also realized that all the persecution and false accusations against me came from the influence of this Jezebel Spirit, causing even some of my own church members to turn against me with lies and slander, smearing my reputation by distorting the truth about my actions as a leader, portraying them in a twisted and absurd light. I was heavily persecuted, accused of embezzlement of money, having the IRS coming after me, having sexual relationships with women in the ministry, having pornographic videos, and even molesting children. It was absolutely grueling to go through, but God gave me strength and encouragement through his Word by educating me about what the mighty men of God in the Bible suffered for the sake of Christ. It taught me an invaluable lesson as a Christian that I am now able to teach and encourage others with.

I will elaborate much more on the subject of the narcissistic Jezebel Spirit later on in this book.

Taking these girls in also ultimately led to my wife at that time falling in sexual sin with one of the girls. When this happened, I was advised to leave her because of her infidelity, but due to fear and because of our son, I wasn’t able to do so. Despite the counsel I received, I was somehow paralyzed, feeling compelled to take the blame of her sin, and the breaking of the church that followed, upon myself. Looking back, I acted very cowardly and I knew I was disobeying God in this matter. The situation now finally propelled me to go to America where I sought counseling for our marriage.

When we arrived in America and sat down with our Christian counselors, their diagnosis of my wife was that she was an SRA-victim. Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) can be defined as the psychological, sexual, and/or physical assault forced on an unwilling human victim, and committed by one or more Satanists according to a prescribed ritual, the primary aim of which is to fulfill their need to worship Satan.

I had to submit to their counseling, but in my heart I knew it was not quite right. I started putting the puzzles together, and saw a picture of how my wife, my wife’s mother, the lady who persecuted me in the media, and my own mother were all coming from the same line of familiar evil spirits, which was what the Devil had used to persecute me. I came to the bitter conclusion, after studying the topic extensively; that not only did my wife possess this rebellious spirit of Jezebel, but also that there was no cure for it. I remember asking many spiritual leaders and pastors who had knowledge about this subject if they knew of anyone who was fully possessed by the spirit of Jezebel, who had been delivered from it. No one could give me any examples. Even in all the books I read on the subject, there were no testimonies of anybody with the spirit of Jezebel being set free. I also understood that because I had been raised up and lived under this spirit, I had married out of a familiar spirit, in other words, something I was used to and attracted to unknowingly.

I was torn to speak out, but I kept it to myself out of fear of contradicting the counselors, but along the way, I kept being confirmed in my conviction that I was in fact dealing with the Jezebel Spirit in my wife. The marriage was a continuous battle and struggle.

I went back after some months to try to dissolve the church in the appropriate way, since I believed that the season for the ministry had come to an end. But the new leadership refused and within a year, the church fell apart under their leadership.

I met with most of the church members who really was a blessing and an encouragement to me. I was able to reconcile with many of them, and I also wrote letters of apology to those who felt inappropriately treated.

After our counseling, we stayed a while on my birth Island of Curacao in the Caribbean. Then, we left for the US to start a ministry in the area of Montrose, which was a predominantly homosexual community in the city of Houston, Texas. This area was also called the graveyard for pastors, since many who had tried to evangelize in this area, had fallen into sexual sin.

Miraculously, God used an elderly Jewish lady to give us one of her mansions for the purpose of the ministry. In 1998, I registered a non-profit organization named The Original God, Inc. and started a church ministry reaching out to the homosexuals, transvestites, and homeless. Even though I was never a homosexual myself, God used me to preach a radical message of salvation, and we saw many give their lives to Jesus Christ and be set free. We also gave the homeless warm meals and were able to distribute clothing and necessities from our storage room. I organized Christian gospel concerts and festivals with well-known bands. People were coming from all over to see what God was doing in this unusual church, where men were standing with lifted arms in worship wearing dresses, lipstick, and high heels and experiencing the power of God delivering people from demons. I felt God was using me to break open the ground for other ministries to come into the area, which later happened.

In Houston, I also hosted a weekly television talk show on a local TV station and every Monday night, I went to the Harris County Jail to preach to the inmates. This was always a powerful time where I saw numerous inmates getting convicted of their sins and getting saved.

After two years, God told me to hand over the ministry and I moved to San Diego, California, with a team to start a ministry and unite the pastors in the area to reach out to the homosexual community of Hillcrest. After hosting reconciliation dinners in a local church, the pastors started working together and using each other’s church facilities. Every weekend I had an outreach to the homosexual and transvestite community, seeing several of them getting saved and set free.

A year later, after God led me to go to Anchorage, Alaska to speak to me about the next step He wanted me to take, I moved to Beverly Hills, California, to minister to the Jewish people there. This was my next assignment. I started weekly Bible studies among actors and actresses and opened a marriage and relationship counseling office. Some time later, I started church services in a small theater in the heart of Hollywood and recorded two worship albums named “Prescription” and “Perfume.” We also hosted Christian rock shows in Hollywood clubs. Besides this, we had a feeding ministry, picking up daily food donations from the health supermarkets, and distributing it to the homeless, the struggling Hollywood actors and actresses, as well as homeless shelters all over the city of Los Angeles.

God was opening doors for me to start going to celebrity parties where I could minister to the people in the industry in Hollywood. I became known as the “Party Pastor,” radically ministering the gospel of Jesus Christ and praying for the partygoers.

My Wife Sophia

In the summer of 2005, God gave me a peculiar dream where He told me He was going to deliver me from something that had bothered me for years. I couldn’t understand what it meant at all, so I was greatly puzzled.

One day, my wife and I got into an argument, and she left. The Lord told me that she would never return, and He revealed to me that she was the “something” that He was delivering me from. It was during this time that in a very unusual set of circumstances, God brought Sophia back into my life. I had met her in the mid nineties during one of the tours with my band, Decision D, in Copenhagen, Denmark, where I invited her to come and be part of the God’s Pleasure church in Holland, which she did. She went back to Denmark a couple of months later after the church dissolved, and we had sporadic contact after that.

At this point, I had not talked to her for five years and she was going through a divorce of an eight-year marriage to an abusive husband. Sophia herself was starting to realize some serious issues from her own life and upbringing, as God was revealing to her that she had grown up in a cultish environment, being controlled and manipulated by her mother all her life. Together, we became fully aware of exactly what the Jezebel Spirit was, and why God had put us together.

God was setting us up, unbeknownst to us, to be with each other and we got married the following year. Since then, and still to this day, we continue to receive prophetic words of confirmation that it was God who brought us together. For the sake of putting an end to the past and beginning a new future together, we also decided to take my middle name, Christiaan, as our legal last name.

Shortly after that, God commanded us to engage in an all out war with this vicious demonic Jezebel Spirit by openly confronting and exposing it, in order to bring liberation to many who have been victimized and harmed by this evil spirit in the body of Christ. We did so through personal confrontations with those possessing this dark spirit, writing studies and books about it, and explaining the devastating effects of this spirit in the media. We traveled extensively, preaching and teaching about this subject in churches and in our own prophetic meetings all over the United States and other countries.

The result was that hundreds of people all over the world got set free, and was enlightened and encouraged by our actions. Through this process, we have learned to battle the intimidation, retaliation, false accusations, and persecution coming from confronting the Jezebel Spirit. Battling the Spirit of Jezebel has freed us tremendously, and has made us very knowledgeable and spiritually strong. Like most wars, you will always have casualties, and we have had our share. We lost family members, friends, reputation, and possessions, and yet through it all, God took care of us faithfully, always comforting us, providing for us, and encouraging us. Today, we give Bible classes on this subject, and soon we will be doing it through radio and television.

In 2008, Sophia wrote an autobiography book in Danish with the title “Ondskab,” which means “Evil,” that dealt in details with how she broke free from the grip of a dangerous religious sect led by her own mother, and the consequences she had to bare following. The book received tremendous attention in the news media. Some said the attention she received was only compared to the press coverage at end of the Second World War in Denmark, and became a bestseller. Translated from Danish to English, the backside of her book says the following:

Imagine yourself waking up as a 28 year old, realizing that your whole life has been one big lie. Your family are not who you think they are. Your marriage is not your own choosing. Your life is in the hands of people who abuse and exploit you. The person you think you are has in reality been dictated to you all the way from your childhood. Your identity, your thoughts, your opinions, your beliefs – your entire world has been distorted.

This is how Sophia finally woke up to the reality one day in August of 2005. She had one week to prepare herself for losing everything she owned, her career, her family, her marriage, and even her own daughter. With a brain-washed mind, and carrying baggage from a childhood as the disowned daughter of the country’s most well known religious sect leader, she began a journey toward true freedom in an almost impossible battle of life and death, in the hunt for her true self.

Sophia’s true story is an outrageous narrative about religious fanatics, brain-wash, disturbing exposures, divorce, love and intrigues, and a controversial battle between good and evil forces in her personal showdown with the perpetrator in her life, her own mother, leader of a religious sect, who triggered one of the country’s biggest scandals through the purchase of the most disputed building in Denmark, “The Youth House” on Jagtvej 69 in Copenhagen.

It is a book about evil with no boundaries. Evil with one single purpose – achieving total power!

The members of this church sect led by Sophia’s mother are subjected to systematic, extreme control and brainwash. Couples are split and put together. Men are being emasculated, meaning men get psychologically overpowered by women until they let go of their natural authority. The members are being isolated from their families and are required to give up all their possessions, including toys for the children. Couples, for instance, have to ask the leader for permission to have sex with each other. Many of them have testified of being “blasted,” which is a cleansing ritual where members encircle an individual and scream at them for about an hour until they are completely “free” from demons. In reality, they get “broken” – a term that is used in the sect for breaking down an individual’s own will and independency and become a totally obedient soldier.

They are forced to bow their knees in front of other members to confess deep, detailed sin – even perceived sin in their thought life. Everyone must be utterly honest and completely transparent with everyone. In this setting, a member can be chastised by being kicked, yelled at, or forced to lay down on the ground in submission. There is a whole system of “snitching,” where everyone must report on each other to the leadership things they hear or see other members doing or saying that is considered rebellious or deviating from what they are instructed to do by the leader. There have been several reports of children being abused in the sect, and sexual violations of minors that has been deliberately unreported to the authorities.

Many of the ex-members of this sect are so damaged when they come out that they are not able to cope with themselves, society, or their personal faith in God. Since I played a big role in Sophia’s coming out of this sect, I was targeted by her mother, the leader of the sect, who vowed to kill me because I confronted her personally with the evil she is doing in the lives of people. She called a month of prayer and fasting, setting a date for my destruction, and persecuted me in the media with false accusations, calling me, among other things, a voodoo man, false prophet, and insinuated that I was giving Sophia poison in her food. She also led her followers in cursing the womb of Sophia, so she would not be able to conceive a child with me.

Sophia’s mother has over the years liked to express her opinions about Christian matters to the secular media, elevating herself to a sort of spokesperson for Christians in Denmark, and in recent years, she has started her own political party, trying to be an alternative to the other Christian political party in the country.

I knew from the beginning that this was much more than a feud between mother and daughter, and that this battle had greater implications for Denmark and for us personally. We were fighting a spiritual battle against evil forces.

Several spiritual leaders and prophets confirmed us that the spirit we were dealing with truly was one of these narcissistic (someone who wants power and controls and manipulates others to get it, and who is not able to admit any fault or wrongdoing), evil spirit’s called “Jezebel” – operating through Sophia’s mother, which was holding Denmark captive and restraining the revival God wants to bring – since it is controlling and isolating people from their families, manipulating them by teaching them false doctrine, and thereby deceiving many innocent people and bringing division in the Body of Christ.

The Spirit of Jezebel is like an arrow that shoots against God’s church, since it rises up as the only true voice of God. It hates the prophets of God and wants to silence them. God commanded us to confront this demonic spirit’s unfruitful works.

This was far from an easy task for us, and it was at times very painful since it involved Sophia’s very own family, and because of the persecution we had to endure. But God, in His love, always reminded us that we were not living for ourselves but for Him, to do His purpose on this earth to His glory. Jesus suffered and sacrificed Himself for us to set us free from sin and bondage, and no matter the cost, we were willing to obey Him, follow His example, and hold on to His promises.

Since that time, we have received hundreds of emails and letters from people all over Denmark and the world, who has been hurt, and had their faith in God destroyed by various other Jezebel Spirits. We have been able to encourage many of those, including previous sect members, to find healing and restoration through forgiveness so they can receive God’s true Word and be set totally free. We explain to them, that the seducing Jezebel Spirit has nothing at all to do with the love and mercy of Jesus Christ and the way He treats us. Through this website we give them further Biblical tools to handle this Spirit and other evil Spirits.

As traveling ministers of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and through our counseling ministry, we have seen many people through the years who just like us have been bitten by the devilish Jezebel Spirit, be set completely free from their torment and wounds through the power of the Holy Spirit.

We, along with other God’s men and women, believe that the power of the Jezebel Spirit has been broken over Denmark and that the time has now come for God’s pouring out of His Spirit over this country and finally bring revival.

Despite all the battles, Sophia and I feel very honored and blessed by having been used by God as a puzzle in His restoration process for Denmark. After six years, we have completed what God wanted us to do, which was to speak out against this evil Jezebel Spirit that rules over the country of Denmark. That chapter has now come to a conclusion.

There has been many prophecies spoken over Denmark about how spiritually dark the country is, but one prophecy in particularly stood out for us, and that is in Anne Elmer’s book of 2007 “On a trip with the Lion of Judah.”

In chapter 13 – “The Problem with Pride” it says it all:

“Next, we came to a big wooden cabin in Denmark and when we entered, the congregation was singing worship songs, but it wasn’t worship. That bothered me, because I could feel that the singing didn’t come from the heart! The Lord said, “There is no unity here, but there will be.” He was always positive about the future.

I saw some individuals who really worshiped, but I also saw some who certainly did not. They had their eyes open, didn’t sing, and had a cold facial expression. Others just pretended. They had their eyes closed, but I could see that their hearts were cold.

The Lord showed me the problems in this church. The first was with one of the members of the leader team. There were six people in the board of elders and all of them were faceless, except one. (Through this vision I realized that if I couldn’t see the face of the pastors or worship leaders, it meant that they are humble people who don’t take the glory for themselves but give it to the Lord.) The only face I was able to see, was that of a female priest who was manipulating, dominating, and proud.

The other problem was that some of the elders who were well up in age, didn’t want to flow with the Lord but were, just like the priest, proud of what they had accomplished by themselves, and they had their own agenda. (I didn’t feel there was a specific problem with either female pastors or elders who have been elders for many years, but the problem was with anyone who is proud, dominating, and who wants to follow their own agenda!)

The scene changed, and it was as if I was watching a cartoon of the same building, but now we were outside of it and there was obviously a big party going on inside. A lot of noise and light seeped out from all the windows and through the cracks in the roof, which got bigger from the building moving to the music! The elders of the church were holding on to strong ropes in the attempt to keep the building down and prevent it from flying away.

As we were watching, the female pastor was pushed out through the roof, and then the Lion went around and either cut the ropes or put a paw of the heads of the elders so they melted. He got rid of all the bad influence, and I knew it was an answer to prayer from the few true worshiping members of the church. All they had had to do was pray and leave it to the Lord, who took care of it the best way – His way.

After this, the scene changed again, and we were at another church service. The board of elders, without the woman I had seen being pushed out, were standing in the front of the church. A leader said that none of the pastors had received a message for the Sunday morning service, so they would just sit in silence and listen to what the Lord might say. I know this would never have been allowed while the “proud” priest was there. She would have had everything planned for every service! There would also have been uproar of panic coming from the elders, who wanted the service to always be organized and planned.

We waited for quite some time, and then one of the elders got up. He had been an elder for many years, and he started crying and saying that he has regretted many things. I didn’t hear his full confession because the Lion turned to me and said, “It’s okay for us to leave now. The change has begun.”

When I later thought about this church, the Lord showed me a verse I think fits well: “In those days Israel had no king; all the people did whatever seemed right in their own eyes.” (Judges 21:25 NLT)

I realized that a church without unity doesn’t have the King. And those who don’t know the King do as they find best or what seems right to them. How sad this is! His agenda is so much more interesting and exciting than ours.”


 * Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. This is not the place to post long text extracts. Indeed, this appears to be a personal autobiography and is thus unsuitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Thank you, /wiae   /tlk  12:36, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

16:26:41, 5 January 2016 review of submission by GemmaSuyat
Hi there, for a few moths I've had trouble getting an article approved for Marc Nohr CEO of Fold7 advertising agency - I too work at Fold7. He was then approached by a lady called Tamsin Kendra who claims to be a wiki editor. She had seen the article had been declined and offered to give her services to get the article approved for a fee of $260. Fold7 didn't agree to this offer yet she's gone ahead and edited the article, which has now been approved. In this case I wanted to check if this is legal, and if it abides by wikipedia rules? She is now requesting for payment even though we didn't agree to her editing the article. I'd just like some advice on what should and shouldn't be done next as I've seen her name pop up in a few discussions where it appears she has been indefinitely blocked as a user: http://www.bigmaybe.com/learn?s=User:Tamsin_Kendra&action=history. Also search her name in this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_373

"User:Tamsin Kendra was doing this all over the place, including Facebook and by email, in some (if not all) cases pretending to be me (hence the notices on my user and talk pages). I have reported it a couple of times at WP:COIN.--ukexpat (talk) 12:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)" Can you confirm if she is to be trusted or if she's a fraud, and if going back in and editing the article after she's updated it is okay? GemmaSuyat (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi GemmaSuyat, for your own protection break off all contact with "Tamsin Kendra". The Wikimedia Foundation's legal department is aware of this type of scam activity. We've seen complaints that these scammers sometimes attempt to delete articles if their demands for payment are rejected. If you've received such demands or threats you might consider legal action. No legitimate Wikipedia editor will ever ask for payment. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Request on 20:43:31, 5 January 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by Run4fun225
Hello Wikipedia, I am the author for the Lanard toys article and received the dreaded subject's notability rejection. Most of the verifiable information was from old Lanard Toys toy catalogs. These are printed product catalogs that were sent out to buyers in the past. I received a bunch of these catalogs and used them to reference when writing the article. However, since these are printed articles how can I reference them so people can review them? The company facebook and youtube webpages were just extra info and could be placed in the external links in.

Thanks,

Run4fun Below is the rejection.... "Your submission at Articles for creation: Lanard Toys (December 15) AFC-Logo Decline.svg Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was: This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time."

Run4fun225 (talk) 20:43, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think the manner in which you have cited the toy catalogue is acceptable—it offers an author, title, date of publication and city. The bigger issue, however, with citing a catalogue from a company that is also the subject of the article is independence. Since the catalogues are by Lanard, not about Lanard, they lack independence from the company and thus do not show its notability. While the catalogue may certainly be used to substantiate some claims about the company, the catalogue itself cannot show notability.


 * To show corporate notability, the types of sources required are reliable, independent ones with significant discussion of the company. Reputable magazines, journals, books or newspapers (whether online or offline) are a good place to start your search. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  02:36, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

20:52:20, 5 January 2016 review of submission by Jamiegerus
hi! Can I please have a review and suggested edits for my declined submission? Are the citations/references not adequate for notability? thank you for support

Jamiegerus (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. If you would like the draft reviewed again, the thing to do is to resubmit it. (Simply add to the top of the draft after clicking "Edit".) However, before resubmitting, you should consider the comments left by previous reviewers on the draft. In particular, many of the references do not mention Lang at all, only name-check him briefly, are routine directories that don't help show biographical notability, or are from sources that are connected to Lang via employment, meaning they are not independent and also cannot help demonstrate notability.
 * In general, I would suggest removing sources that do not mention Lang. Instead, find and add a variety of reliable, independent (third-party) sources that discuss him in significant detail. Thanks, /wiae   /tlk  02:43, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

21:21:52, 5 January 2016 review of submission by Cgelineli
Hi, I'd appreciate help on how to find more third party sources. Also, could you please provide specifics on what you feel is lacking to achieve publication? Thank You cgelineliCgelineli (talk) 21:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC) Cgelineli (talk) 21:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The draft does not need more sources, it already has plenty (too many, in my opinion). What it needs is better sources. (In my uninformed opinion, some of the sources you have cited, like Yachting magazine, look pretty good. But the reviewer may have missed them in among the trade magazines etc.) Maproom (talk) 13:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)