Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 July 15

= July 15 =

Request on 01:51:59, 15 July 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by AxelRR
Hi, I made an article for Benjamin R. Teitelbaum, and it was rejected on the grounds that the person lacked notoriety and that claims (I write in the article that the person is known for his scholarship and commentary on immigration) were not backed up with sources. However, I cited four secondary sources covering him and discussing his commentary, all of whom are well established: The National Review, CNSNews, Avpixlat (in Sweden), and Brown University (announcing a major award for his research). I could add more, but this seems sufficient given Wikipedia's guidelines both for notoriety by secondary coverage or for an academic scholar. Can you help me???? : / AxelRR (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

AxelRR (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . It does appear that you have provided relevant evidence of notability in, and . Different reviewers are more rigorous about notability requirements than others. It is possible that if you resubmitted you'd get a different answer from a different reviewer but maybe you have already done that. If you can find some more secondary coverage or include some information in the draft that indicates on or more of the points in WP:NACADEMIC are met you will have a better chance of getting this accepted. I hope this helps. I believe you are close. ~Kvng (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the problems is that the first three references are by Teitelbaum, and so are not independent. After seeing multiple non-independent or non-reliable sources, a reviewer may get tired of checking the remaining references.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:16, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

02:33:20, 15 July 2016 review of submission by EdwardUK
Hi, I’m having a problem with references and notability, the article is about a playwright whose works included two very popular and pioneering plays that were turned into films, but most sources directly about him (are either unusable self-published ones or) only give general statements on how successful he was, and as a lot of the reviews say very similar things it seemed unnecessary to duplicate the info in them. The more detailed facts and figures that are needed to show notability tend to come from sources that focus mainly on the works more than the person, however, without these the article could be full of when, where, how many, questions. What is the best way to get around this problem?

Also about improving referencing to make info verifiable - I've tried to make existing refs as accessible as I can (I’ve redone them to link the urls as closely as possible to the relevant parts of the sources), so is it just that there's not enough to show notability that's the problem here? EdwardUK (talk) 02:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I have accepted this. See J. E. Harold Terry. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

12:47:19, 15 July 2016 review of submission by StevenInMA
First, thank you for reviewing my submission so quickly!

The user group has been around and active for nearly 30 years so, in my opinion, it is worthy of Wikipedia. But I understand that it's just me saying this and Wikipedia needs more substantiation. I don't have any issue with this, I'm open to suggestions on how to improve the article because I know it will make the article better.

Maybe: we have had presentations by literally dozens of companies at our monthly meetings over the years. Also we have held presentations at maybe 20 or more locations. Maybe it would help if we could cite the companies who have presented and when they have presented? Something like 2016 July: this company and on this topic; 2016 June: this company, presenter, and topic; etc? Worded better of course and perhaps with links to the company and/or presenter.

Maybe: maybe we need to find companies who reference us as an entity?

Thanks in advance for your help. -steve StevenInMA (talk) 12:47, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi StevenInMA, your citation has to prove that the presentation happened, and must have been published, preferrably in an independent source such as a newspaper or magazine. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

14:55:24, 15 July 2016 review of submission by Rotide123
Ilona Kronstein is a notable Jewish woman who deserves a Wikipedia page.

How do I cite fewer times? I thought there needed to be a citation after each sentence of information...


 * Hi . When there are multiple citations to the exact same source, there is a technique for saving repetition call "named references". I've applied that technique to the draft. See Help:Referencing for beginners for more information.


 * Generally inline citations are not required at the end of every sentence (but it's better to error in that direction than in the other). If an entire paragraph comes from the same source, a single inline citation at the end of the paragraph is usually enough. See WP:CITEDENSE for further explanation.


 * More importantly, the draft should be based on a wider range of sources. The corresponding article in the German Wikipedia,, although not a source itself, references a couple other sources. WorldCat also lists some possible sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

16:27:50, 15 July 2016 review of submission by MaryGaulke
Hi! This draft was rejected on grounds of insufficient notability. The subject has been the focus of extensive profiles in Fortune, Bloomberg, and the San Francisco Business Times; his career moves have earned news coverage in Recode and The New York Times; and all of these pieces are used as references within the article. As far as I can tell, he clears the bar set by WP:BIO. Could someone please take a look and help clarify where there is room for improvement here?

FYI, I have a conflict of interest: I work for a communications agency for which Splunk (the company of which Sullivan used to CEO) is a client. However, I never assist clients with creating an article if I don't believe that the subject has encyclopedic value. If nothing else, I would really appreciate any feedback that can help me realign my expectations for future endeavors.

(n.b. I posted this question 8 days ago and didn't receive a response before it was archived, so I hope it's OK to repost.)

Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:27, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Let's ask the reviewer SwisterTwister to help with this. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

19:05:59, 15 July 2016 review of submission by 170.200.144.6
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Hi there,

I have been trying to add some information to the Azamara Club Cruises Wikipedia page and my edits have been reversed twice. I just received a warning explaining why my edits were reversed that stated June 2016 "This is your only warning; if you use Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, as you did at Azamara Club Cruises, you may be blocked from editing without further notice."

I have reviewed the submitted text and plan on editing a few sections to make it more objective. However, other sections seem pretty factual and I was wondering if those could be submitted. The sections in question are below. Please let me know if this will be accepted because I do not want to be locked out from the page on another edit reversal. Thank you

Ships and guest profile Azamara Club Cruises operates two mid-sized ships, the Azamara Journey® and Azamara Quest,® each carrying up to 690 guests at full capacity. Azamara Journey was built in 2000 and was formerly one of Rennaissance's series of 8 ships - the R6. The ship was transferred to Pullmantur in 2006 as the Blue Dream, before coming to Azamara in 2007. Azamara Quest was also built in 2000, was formerly one of Rennaissance's series of 8 ships - the R7. The ship was transferred to Pullmantur in 2006 as the Blue Moon, before coming to Azamara in 2007

The company serves an up-market segment of international travelers, with approximately 50% from the Americas, 20% from UK&I, 15% from Australia, and 15% from other countries. Guests tend to be curious and well-traveled, and as a whole are eager to explore new destinations and cultures. Azamara’s staff, crew and headquarters team are equally international, hailing from more than 60 nations.

Ships’ amenities The following amenities are included in the cruise ticket price for all guests: Complimentary, localized AzAmazing Evenings event on most voyages, select standard spirits, international beers and wines, gratuities, bottled water, soft drinks, specialty coffees and teas, English butler service for suite guests, elf-service laundry, shuttle service to and from port communities, where available and Concierge services for personal guidance and reservations

Leadership Larry Pimentel is President and CEO of Azamara Club Cruises,® a member of the Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. family of cruise lines. Since taking the helm in 2009, he and his team have created a new niche of cruise travel distinguished by Destination Immersion,® meaning longer stays, more overnights and night touring in port cities around the world.

Over a three-decade career, Pimentel has built successful cruise lines and brands while accumulating a unique body of knowledge about affluent travelers and the experiences that appeal to them. Before joining Azamara Club Cruises, he was president and CEO of SeaDream Yacht Club, a privately held luxury yachting company. At Carnival Corp. he served as president and CEO of Cunard Line and Seabourn Cruise Line. He was previously president and CEO of Classic Hawaii, a tour operating company.

His keen insights about the travel marketplace and luxury tastes and trends have made Pimentel an in-demand speaker, writer and educator. He was Distinguished Lecturer at Cornell’s School of Hotel Administration and has led marketing seminars for Harvard Business School, Ritz-Carlton Company, Bloomberg and others. He was a founding member of The Luxury Marketing Council in New York, and also has been influential as director and chairman of major travel industry associations.

The cruise brands under Pimentel’s leadership have won dozens of “best in class” awards from discerning travelers. At Azamara Club Cruises, the up-market, 686-guest Azamara Journey® and Azamara Quest® have been recognized with best in class, best service, best overall experience and other awards from Travel + Leisure, Conde Nast Traveler and Cruise Critic’s Cruisers’ Choice Awards. The company also has won top honors from the UK Cruise Critic Cruisers’ Choice Awards, including best overall, best dining, best service, best value-for-money and more.

As one of the travel industry’s most respected leaders in branding and luxury travel marketing, Pimentel has been honored with a Lifetime Achievement award from Cruise International, and selected as “one of the 25 most influential travel executives in America” and “global executive of the year.”

Larry Pimentel is married and lives with his wife Sandi in Key Biscayne. They have five children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.200.144.6 (talk) 19:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This page is for discussing draft submissions at Articles for Creation. Your issue has to do with edits to an existing article.  However, the latter part above, which is about Pimentel rather than his company, does appear to be promotional.  Please discuss your edits on the talk page with the reverting editor.  If that is inconclusive, read the dispute resolution policy.  For general advice, ask at the Teahouse or the Help Desk.  Do you have an affiliation with the company?  Robert McClenon (talk) 19:17, 15 July 2016 (UTC)