Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 October 22

= October 22 =

16:33:30, 22 October 2016 review of submission by 108.34.250.11
The article on J Barry Grenga has been submitted for review by experienced editors. If he has a biography on IMDB he has enough notability to be on Wikipedia. The individual is clearly notable by wiki standards of  people notable for one event and whos' contribution was large and considerable to an event . At a minimum his article and info should be merged with Florida State University College of Motion Picture Arts though the preference is a stand alone article. In short his efforts gave Florida State University College of Motion Picture Arts and their reputation a large and significant boost, by giving them their first Academy Award, and their first combo Academy Award and Emmy Award. This event at this film school could occur only once, and is a significant and memorable event in the film schools history; contributed significantly and largely to their reputation and standing in the eyes of prospective students and the Hollywood community. The article was posted a few ago and some editors in our opinion rushed to judgement on the issue of notability. We suggest that people are notable for  single events and in specific categories  such as  professors  who do not have mass media coverage and general notoriety. I think there is confusion among editors about the difference between notability and notoriety  the state of being famous . J Barry Grenga is similar to a professor whom in an academic arena contributes to a universities reputation and in doing so is, notable aka as professor would be. See random example Judith Green or even the even less notable Judith Green. Adding to the above the article is well written and also one previous comment summed up his contribution  "at the screening of the MFA films the faculty knew they had a big winner on their hands with Slow Dancin', they knew who, was responsible for what, that's why they made J Barry Grenga valedictorian and not the films director". 108.34.250.11 (talk) 16:33, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP address. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia.  The backlog for reviews is very large and your review might take several weeks to be done.  However, before posting here I took a quick look at your submission and found that it is probably not ready for publication.  For one thing, the submission requires a good deal of copy editing, noticeably so for its overuse of capitalisation and the use of an ampersand in place of the word "and".  Also, your references could be formatted so as to give a more professional appearance (and the citeweb template will be helpful for doing this).  Moving on to more substantive matters, much of the submission is being sourced to the IMDB site, which (being user-generated) is not accepted as a reliable source here on Wikipedia.  I also noted that one of the paragraphs tells the reader what the subject has said about two other individuals, but the sources given in that paragraph do not appear to back up the claims being made there.  Of greatest importance, though, is the question of whether the subject has demonstrated "notability" in the sense that Wikipedia uses that word.  I didn't see anything in the way of significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is an essential element for publishing a biography of a person here on Wikipedia.  I encourage you to address all of these matters in the weeks between now and when your submission will be reviewed.  I hope this was helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:19, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I would not say an IMDB profile proves Wikipedia notability, especially considering most of your article is sourced by IMDB and is not reliable, as mentioned by NewYorkActuary above. Also mentioned above was copy editing, to edit an article to make it more biographical and with a neutral point of view. Please use the articles I have linked to improve your submission. Thank you, and happy editing.  JTP ( talk • contribs) 18:38, 23 October 2016 (UTC)