Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2016 September 8

= September 8 =

10:34:13, 8 September 2016 review of submission by Jur Schuurman
Dear AfC helpdesk,

Twice already my draft page on Land Governance has been rejected. First by LaMona in June, later by Bradv in July. What both their motivations boiled down to was that the text was too much essay-like and not fact-based. I have tried to correct this in the draft (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Land_governance), but before submitting it for a third time I would like to also have your opinion on the essayistic or factual nature of my text, as well as your assessment on what could still be needed to have a successful submission. I would be very grateful for that.

In addition to this general comment by both reviewers, there was one remark by Bradv about 'the rest of the project' which I did not understand. I asked him about it (twice, on the 1st and the 6th of September - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bradv), but I did not receive any reply. By means of the live help chat I was informed that he has not been active since August 4. Perhaps he has ceased to be a Wikipedia editor? And if so, do you know what 'the project' is that he referred to?

Thanks in advance for your help! Yours,

Jur Schuurman (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi . "The project" is usually synonymous with Wikipedia, the headline project hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation.


 * To show where this topic fits in, try distilling it to a single sourced paragraph, and insert that among the other types in Governance. Not all types have stand alone articles. Public governance, for example, is covered by public administration, forest governance is a subsection of sustainable forest management, and political party governance redirects to political party. Wikipedia favors large, comprehensive articles, so consider whether the topic could be covered adequately in some existing article.


 * Is it a subtype of another type of governance? There's probabaly a relationship, for example, among environmental governance, earth system governance, climate governance, and ocean governance, although the articles don't make clear what it is. Another way to show how it fits in is to propose categories at the bottom of the draft.  is an obvious start, but what other existing categories would be appropriate?


 * Another problem with the draft is that it misuses external links. If a subject such as "Committee on World Food Security" has a Wikipedia article, an internal link may be used, like this: Committee on World Food Security, but an external link, like this: Committee on World Food Security may not be used within the body of the article. In certain cases, external links can be converted into references, if they support some statement of fact (beyond simply the existence of an organization).


 * The draft is also missing a lede. --Worldbruce (talk) 16:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

12:45:22, 8 September 2016 review of submission by Billquinn ky
Thanks to the reviewers and everyone in the community so far. I am ready for another edit and re-submission. The goal is to capture the present objective and historical facts around a band that has been established for 2 years, but is still considered very young in age, while they are on the rise in their region I feel it is important to capture these objective facts. With already having 2 submissions rightfully declined (in June & July) on lack of notability and lack of verifiable resources, I have spent some time in the last two months focused on who things:

1) criteria here, https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music) Specifically
 * 1) 1 - someone else writing about the band in verifiable national publication
 * 2) 4 - proof a tour with national notability
 * 3) 7 - establish "most important representatives of a notable style or the most important of the local scene of a city"

All objective claims will be in support of these guidelines and criteria.

2) I have collected independent and verifiable references from long-standing news sources (not blogs). ALL references will replaced with these.

I would just like some guidance as to whether this seems like it will be a change of approach that will allow the article to pass?

Billquinn ky (talk) 12:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I assume that this is about Draft:Johnny Conqueroo. It cites four sources, but only one, the Lexington Herald Leader, contains significant discussion of the subject. I doubt that that is enough to establish notability. Maproom (talk) 17:07, 8 September 2016 (UTC)


 * That's the notability guideline for the Simple English Wikipedia. This is the English Wikipedia.  See music notability guidelines.  Although they appear to be almost the same, each Wikipedia has its own guidelines.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I also suggest you read "Up-and-coming next big thing". -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  13:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC)