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= April 2 =

02:46:13, 2 April 2017 review of submission by Maria Grimana
Maria Grimana (talk) 02:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, can you please tell me why some of the ISBN numbers of books get linked and some others not? I tried to link some many times with no success. Thank you! Maria Grimana Maria Grimana (talk) 02:46, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * User:Maria Grimana just formatting. See mw:Help:Magic links.  Programming Geek talk to me 03:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

03:12:24, 2 April 2017 review of draft by Madgolux
Re: Elisabeth_Hoemberg wiki. This is my first attempt to generate a Wikipedia page, inspired by the Art and Feminism workshop recently held at the Maryland Institute College of Art https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/MICA/Baltimore_MICA_ArtAndFeminism2017 The workshop notes that a disproportionately smaller number of female artists and writers are found in Wikipedia, reflecting a disproportion in editors with sufficient expertise.

The quality standards are very high and the learning curve is somewhat steep, so the help I am seeking is mainly in the formatting, referencing and neutrality areas.

This article is about a deceased (1994) person whose 1950 book of letters and memoirs is out of print. In the course of research after reading it, I discovered that it has recently appeared in translation in Germany, as a unique historical contribution. The author and book I believe have sufficient sources (mainly reviews) to establish notability.

I met this individual as a child but have no close relationship other than to have rediscovered her wonderful writings and those of her husband, whose Wikipedia article is in German. I do not believe this places me in a conflict of interest, but I must be clear that my interest is certainly both historical and personal, and I understand the need for neutrality and community review.

The template I started from was provided by the sandboxed MICA wikipedian, but the formatting was lost soon after deciding not to SAVE the article and so I started over. Browser - Safari is easiest to navigate for me on MAC OS, but I also use Firefox and Chrome. The Visual Editor however seems not to work in my deprecated 6.2.8 version of Safari, so suggestions regarding compatibility are welcome. Likewise, my knowledge of HTML is rudimentary and wikimarkup even less.

If there is a quick way to convert this page to an acceptable template, CV, notable work, external links etc. I would appreciate that, also if you can point out any reasons why such an article may be marked for deletion. I am continuing to edit on various platforms until I find one that works well.

Madgolux (talk) 03:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Draft has been accepted for publication. NewYorkActuary (talk) 07:58, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

06:59:01, 2 April 2017 review of submission by Alekyo
Hello, My article, was declined and I want to know why and what I can do to make it be published?

Many thanks in advance! Alekyo (talk) 06:59, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * The declination was accompanied by a detailed explanation of why it was declined, complete with links to more detailed information. Very short version: you did not make a case that this person is notable enough that there should be an article in an encyclopedia about them. --01:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

10:20:05, 2 April 2017 review of draft by MannyWolfe
I am trying to create a citation template for Hebrew sefarim ("holy" books). These can be stand-alone books or commentaries to other books. Often, the books' authors lived centuries ago, and the books have been printed and reprinted many times (dozens or even hundreds). In such cases, the exact printing matters little (unless there are textual differences between editions). What does matter is the chapter and paragraph, which can be of several different forms.

Here are some examples:
 * Talmudical References - These can be in Mishna, Talmud Bavli (Babylonian), or Talmud Yerushalmi (Jerusalem). Each of these are divided into Tractates (one of 60 major sections).  The Mishna is subdivided into Perakim (chapters, singular perek) and Mishnayot (paragraphs, singular mishna), and each of the Talmuds contains a discussion on each mishna.  In the Jerusalem Talmud, citations are normally by tractate, chapter, and halacha (the term for the discussion on a mishna).  In the Babylonian Talmud, citations are generally to the daf (page or folio) within each tractate, which were standardized in 1523 by Daniel Bomberg, but often the chapter is included for easy reference.  (After half a millenium, there are no copywrite issues...).
 * Talmudical Commentaries - There are standard commentaries to the Talmud, several of which are published (in the standard Vilna Editions) on the page (Bartenura and Tosafot Yom Tov on the Mishna, Rashi and Tosafot on the Talmud). There are dozens of other commentaries published separately (or in appendices, in standard editions).  Each of these can be cited by the section of Talmud they refer to: tractate, chapter, mishna, daf, and additionally divrei ha-maschil, the opening words of the comment.  (Each author can have several comments on the same section.)
 * Halachic References - These are of later authorship, where the laws are set forth by subject, rather than by tractate. The two major divisions are Maimonides and Shulchan Aruch.  Maimonides is divided into 14 books (or volumes), each of which is divided into several titled sections, where are in turn divided into perek (chapter) and halacha (paragraph).  Shulchan Aruch is divided into four major sections (known as chalakim, singular chelek), each of which is in turn divided into simanim (another word for chapter, singular siman) and se'ifim (another term for paragraph, singular se'if).  In addition, related chapters are grouped together in subdivision called halachot, but the chapter numberings remain consistent through the entire section.
 * Halachic Commentaries - As on the mishna, there are commentaries to the Halacha books, both on the page on published separately. These are generally cited by chapter and paragraph (of the source material), as well as minor paragraph (se'if katan) number.
 * Teshuvot - Usually cited by author, title, volume, section, and chapter (or responsum number).

There are some other variations on the above, but once I get started I can probably work out the rest of them.

The best analogy I can give is perhaps to the US Constitution, divided into Articles and Sections, or perhaps many law manuals, divided into sections, chapters, sub-divisions, etc.

For some citations, the source material is easily available online and a link can be created; one such site is Mechon Mamre (see Template:Bibleverse, e.g. ). Others are widely available in print, in multiple editions - and usually the exact edition is besides the point.

Is it possible to standardize citations of these sorts? I believe it would be useful, as nearly every page within the Judaism portal could use better citations.

I apologize for my verbosity - summarization is not my strong point, I'm afraid.

MannyWolfe (talk) 10:20, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi What you're planning is outside of the scope of the "Articles for Creation" project. I suggest you take your plans to the Idea Lab, where other technically proficient editors will be able to assist you. Tell them just what you told us here and see what they come up with. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

18:02:02, 2 April 2017 review of submission by Dnllnd
Hello! A page for Gemma Calvert was created in 2015. What's the best way to put forward a Draft article for deletion if a page in the mainspace has since been created? I've looked over the review info and wasn't able to hit on something I was confidence addressed the this type of thing. Thank you! --Dnllnd (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

✅ Listed for deletion  Programming Geek talk to me 19:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)