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= April 20 =

Request on 07:37:33, 20 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Rivkiyoudkevich
Hi, I submitted the article and it was declined. I dont agree with the reason and I tried not to make it an advertised article. Also, I placed 22 links and there are 50 more if needed (most in Hebrew as can see on the hebrew article). I dont know what to do so if anyone can help it will be a great help! Thanks

Rivkiyoudkevich (talk) 07:37, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * for the reasons explained on the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:48, 20 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Worldbruce yes but why? whats wrong with it? also, all the links i provided arent enough?? how can it be when i see articles with 2 or 4 links only? please help, thank you/ Rivkiyoudkevich (talk) 13:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Have you read the extensive comment I left on the draft, below the stacked pink boxes? Is there part of it that you don't understand? As for other articles, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. --Worldbruce (talk) 13:41, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Worldbruce yes, i read it but reading the article i dont see why you wrote it.. can you help with improving it? and also, what about the links, why arent they enough? i looked in other articles and most dont have the same amount and they are all good links... Rivkiyoudkevich (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm on the road and on a semi-wikibreak until June, so am unable to give you more extensive assistance at the moment. You aren't grasping the feedback, so try reading it again. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make some of the instructions, like "Don't use The Daily Mail as a reference." You can also seek help at the teahouse. I think anyone here or there will give you the same advice. If in 4-5 weeks you're still stuck, leave a note on my talk page and I'll see what I can do when I return. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:22, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

08:33:39, 20 April 2017 review of submission by Viktoriya.biliaeva
Hi there! I've been sending my draft for submission for several times, but it has always been rejected. After each submission I tried to follow the instructions and edit my draft so it wouldn't be rejected next time, in particular, I've added external references according to Chrissymad's comment, I've inserted inline citations as it was mentioned by David.moreno72. However, yesterday I got the reply from ProgrammingGeek that was different from the previous ones, as he stated that the draft looks like a sort of advertising. I just wonder how it could happen that none of the reviewers noticed that the draft is a sort of a product promotion before? Also, I'd like to know what is considered to be under 'notability' as I've come across a plenty of articles with no references at all! Thanks in advance. Viktoriya.biliaeva (talk) 08:33, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, Viktoriya. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  Our apologies for the delay in response.  When reviewers decline a submission here at Articles for Creation, they very often identify only what they find to be the most serious problem.  In looking at the history of your submission, I see that two of the three reviewers believed the most serious problem was the poor quality of the referencing, but the third thought it was "advertising" (which often means simply that there is little in the draft that wouldn't be found in a product brochure or advertisement).  My own look at the submission tells me that both problems exist and that both need to be addressed before your submission can be accepted for publication.  As for referencing, and despite your statement to the contrary, you have not provided in-line citations.  Instead, you simply put a list of links near the bottom of the draft.  You are, in effect, telling readers (and reviewers) that if they want to find the source for any particular statement, they have to click through each of the very many links in hope of finding the right one.  This is not proper referencing and I encourage you to read through our WP:Referencing for beginners and our guidance on in-line citations.  As for advertising, you really need to write an article that is more than a description of what the software can do.  And so, you'll need to base your draft on what has been said about the software by reliable sources that are independent of your company (and the company's blog will not be sufficient for this).  And as to the notability question, most reviewers here will be looking for you to demonstrate that the software has some measure of historical or technical significance.  You might find WP:NSOFTWARE useful reading.  I hope this response has been helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 14:06, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

11:47:40, 20 April 2017 review of submission by TeamAvB
Hello, We don't know if it is any use to go further with the draft about the painter Georgy Kichigin. We would kindly ask you to take a look at the information we have collected on http://www.meddens.eu/Kichigin/Index.html and if there is based on this information any use in continuing with the draft. Regards, TIA.
 * Username and above text implies shared use. Others, please advise.  JTP (talk • contribs) 14:59, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

TeamAvB (talk) 09:21, 21 April 2017 (UTC)Comment: The holder of the username teamAvB is just one person, other users have no access via this username. If there would be a positive reaction the draft will be continued by another single username. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeamAvB (talk • contribs) 16:25, 20 April 2017 (UTC) 217.122.65.153 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2017 (UTC)Username changed to AvB679
 * Hello, AvB. Thanks again for your submission to Wikipedia.  I think you have a reasonably good chance of getting an article on Kichigan published here on Wikipedia.  The fact that he was one of the artists identified in a presidential proclamation back in 2006 certainly contributes to his notability.  I encourage you to read through our notability guideline at WP:NARTIST with an eye towards assembling reliable sources that can demonstrate satisfaction of one or more of the criteria listed there.  And although I don't think the meddens.eu website is itself a reliable source (it looks to be somebody's blog), the information there might serve as a useful guide to finding other sources.  But right now, the larger problem you face is not the lack of Kichigin's notablity.  Instead, it is the fact that your submission reads like an essay, and not as an encyclopedia article.  What's more, it doesn't use an encyclopedic tone of voice.  You might want to read through some of our better-quality articles on artists, such as El Greco or Caspar David Friedrich.  Doing this will give you an idea of how an article should be structured and how the material can be best presented.  I hope this response has been helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:17, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

AvB679 (talk) 20:43, 21 April 2017 (UTC) Thank you very much for your reply. It is clear to me. The link was merely because there was a extensive list of refs translated from Russian... most refs are in Russian.

20:22:44, 20 April 2017 review of submission by 93.137.106.152
There is need for assistance to check grammar mistakes and advice if there is need for any further improvement of the draft.

93.137.106.152 (talk) 20:22, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP address. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  I've published your submission, after doing some mild copy editing in the lead paragraph.  But I didn't try to do more.  Wikipedia has a group of volunteers who do that kind of thing and, if you would like their assistance, place the copyedit template at the top of the page (but be aware that they have a backlog that stretches back several months).  You might also want some assistance with translation.  I saw that the final sentence in the lead paragraph translated the Japanese source as saying the song is about the "essence of human beings".  It seems to me that there must a better English translation of whatever the original source was saying.  You can ask for translation help at WP:JAPAN.  Thanks again for your contribution to Wikipedia.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 14:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)