Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 April 26

= April 26 =

04:31:19, 26 April 2017 review of submission by Oleg Sergeykin
This draft was already submitted three times. Last time, it was rejected by a very odd way (see details below). The draft's text and references were significantly expanded and wikified during these updates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2017_January_4#15:25:41.2C_4_January_2017_review_of_submission_by_Oleg_Sergeykin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2017_January_23#11:55:13.2C_23_January_2017_review_of_submission_by_Oleg_Sergeykin

The last time the discussion on the draft was moved from here to Draft Talk:ShrinkTheWeb where I was asked by NewYorkActuary to provide "three references that you feel best demonstrate that the subject has been the recipient of substantial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". I pointed out these three very reliable sources (Technorati, AboutUs.com, MakeUseOf) explaining successful usage of ShrinkTheWeb on their sites. After that, further discussion was ignored, there were no any replies from moderators - neither positive nor negative.

So I guess the aspect of notability has already been covered in sufficient details in those discussions according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies): "A company ... is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject". That's why I submitted the draft again on Feb 25 (for the third time) after adding some additional references and some additional information about Amazon's not so successful thumbnail service (it shows notability and importance of entire website screenshot niche).

The reviewing of the draft took very long time (more than a month) and had resulted very oddly. On Apr 2, there was an attempt to erase the draft with violation of the Wikipedia procedure thru AfD category https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Draft:ShrinkTheWeb by CatSleepingOnTheKeyboard (the account was already deleted!) thus avoiding making a decision on the draft in the correct Wikipedia section (AfC). Immediately after the failure of this attempt, on Apr 4, the article draft was rejected by NotTheFakeJTP using the standard "read more like an advertisement" template without any additional explanation from the reviewer.

Why these accounts tried to reject my draft in such an odd way? Is there any connection between these two accounts? Does such "approach" to AfC reviewing allowed by Wikipedia rules?

And, most importantly, give me a meaningful answer on the same two my questions which I asked in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2017_January_23 :

1) please recommend how to improve the draft or

2) provide me some examples of similar articles which are OK with this "advertisement vs. encyclopedia" requirement

I was not given any answer to these question in the discussion on Draft Talk page Draft Talk:ShrinkTheWeb:

"reads as if its objective is to promote the product" is just a synonym of "read more like an advertisement", so it is not an answer to the questions. Which phrase reads so? Where is the bias in the draft?

I have thoroughly read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Spam#Advertisements_masquerading_as_articles and I really would like to know what is the "differentiation" "between spam articles and legitimate articles about commercial entities" regarding this draft.

Please read all previous discussions about the draft (Jan 4, Jan 23, Draft Talk) before commenting to avoid duplicate questions already discussed regarding the draft. Oleg Sergeykin (talk) 04:31, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be rude, but are you suggesting that I am a WP:SOCK? If so, please WP:Assume good faith. It was pure coincidence that I reviewed your draft after the AfD. We reviewers have a "random submission" button, and, if I recall correctly, that it what I clicked and your draft appeared.  JTP (talk • contribs) 16:41, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Reply - Unfortunately it is no one's responsibility but your own to address the issues within the draft you have written. Right now it looks like you are relying heavily on sources that Wikipedia does not see as reliable. The general document for understanding a good reference, is Reliable sources, and if you are looking for help with not writing in an advertorial manner, you may want to review the following Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch. To be honest, you may want to start over and write from the reliable sources (if they exist) rather than appending web references (reliable or not) to fit your narrative. In my personal opinion, there is very little chance you could transform what you have now into an acceptable article, because it appears to be written as a brochure or advertisement at its core rather than an encyclopedia entry. Isingness (talk) 14:19, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Request on 07:31:40, 26 April 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by 81.183.54.72
Hello! The article I posted was declined and I dont really understadn why and what could I change about it so that it will be approved. this is the message I got: quote This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time. unquote

I wanted to write an article about them because I really like their glasses, I think is a creative idea to make glasses out of vinyl records, and I realized they have a Hungarian wiki page, but not one in English and I thought I write one.

Please, could you tell me what should I do to get it approved?

Thanks a lot in advance! Best, Julia 81.183.54.72 (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


 * The draft is excessively promotional, reading more like an advertisement than an encyclopedia article. It cites no references at all, and therefore doesn't even begin to establish that its subject is notable. Both of these are very clear reasons for rejection. Its first sentence does not explain what "Tipton Eyeworks" is, indeed it does not even mention it. You state above that they "make glasses out of vinyl records", maybe this should be mentioned in the draft?
 * If you want to improve the draft so that it can be approved as an article, I suggest that you start by finding and citing sources to establish the subject's notability. Without this, any other work you do on the draft will be wasted. Maproom (talk) 09:08, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

14:19:04, 26 April 2017 review of draft by Jaxson1
Hello, I have 2 questions please How do I change the name of my Wikipedia page from Blue Dogs to Blue Dogs (band) My page redirects to The Blue Dog Coalition Wikipedia page how do I correct this? Thank you

Jaxson1 (talk) 14:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅  Programming Geek talk to me 15:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

14:59:06, 26 April 2017 review of submission by THE PEOPLE OF MBIABONG ETIM, INI - AKWA IBOM STATE
THE PEOPLE OF MBIABONG ETIM, INI - AKWA IBOM STATE (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

THE PEOPLE AND REALMS OF MBIABONG ETIM.

Mbiabong Etim is a statutorily recognized community/area in Ini Local Government Area of Akwa Ibom State, and listed in the official Gazette under the Traditional Rulers Law, Cap 134, Laws of Akwa Ibom State, Nigeria, and with zip code NO. 531108. The Community has a State Government official recognized traditional Ruler/Head which is officially certified by the hand of the State Governor. The History of the Community which had been passed from one generation to another, had been loosely documented and is gradually being forgotten by the newer generation of indigenes and people due to its non-formal and non-official documentation. To enable the preservation of the official history of the people and the community, a committee of scholars and elders were constituted to officially narrate, document and preserve this history. The product of this committee is what is being hereto published in an on-going basis. Please help us to public and permanently preserve our history. I know we do not possess all the skills and knowledge necessary to meet the Wikipedia conditions, but we do not also have know or have access to any specialist within our area on how to get our get our page published. Please help our people and community. Thank you.


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 Programming Geek talk to me 15:49, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

15:36:42, 26 April 2017 review of submission by MickeSSS
There is very little info on internet about this formula. I have asked/emailed several places regarding how to calculate mW/cm2 into the UV level they (WHO and many more)showing. Only 11+ UV and noting more. I think they/many are afraid to get out info. I was having here in Thailand one day 468 mW/cm2 and i must have been calculate wrong. (Divide with 25)Because we would have a UV on 19. So if the good people at Wikipedia could find out the formula so that people can calculate. MickeSSS (talk) 15:36, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
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