Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 December 28

= December 28 =

Request on 03:20:37, 28 December 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Pyrocatch
Reviewer identified an article draft as copyrighted material based on a ham radio club's website. This is incorrect: the questioned material is not sourced from the web page the reviewer indicated. It is sourced directly from publications of the United States Federal Government, which are not subject to copyright, and which are linked as references in the article.

I indicated this to the reviewer, but I haven't heard anything in several months. The article pertains to a treaty matter between the US and Canada regarding radio communications.

Pyrocatch (talk) 03:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . Thank you for clarifying that the source is a US federal government document. It is a primary source. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; it summarizes what has been written about a topic in secondary sources. Wikipedia isn't supposed to have articles that simply summarize primary sources. See Notability. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * If I delete the definitions' text (if I understand correctly, it is unacceptable because it appears in a primary source (Treaty/Code of Federal Regulations), right?) and just leave the summary, will that correct the problem? Or is this treaty and subsequent law simply not an appropriate topic for Wikipedia? Pyrocatch (talk) 04:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * A topic is only suitable for an encyclopedia article if reliable secondary sources have covered it at some depth. The United States Constitution, for example, is an appropriate topic because many people have written about it in reliable sources. It's okay for the article to cite the actual document (the primary source), but the bulk of any article must be based on secondary sources. If all that existed was the Constitution itself, and no one had ever published books and articles about how it came to be written, how it was adopted, what it means, what effect it has had on the course of history, etc., then it would not be an appropriate subject for Wikipedia.


 * If there are independent, reliable, secondary sources that discuss the lines, you could add those sources to Draft:US-Canada Radio Frequency Coordination Lines and thereby demonstrate that the topic is notable (suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia). I don't know whether such sources exist, but it seems unlikely because the lines come from one paragraph of a technical annex in a comparatively obscure government document. If you're concerned about preserving the text of the original document, one alternative to explore would be our sister project Wikisource, which contains laws and documents of many countries. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

14:58:54, 28 December 2017 review of submission by Zayyam123
how to know which of your articles was declined? Zayyam123 (talk) 14:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . The name of the declined draft, Draft:Scholars' Cafe', can be found in the decline's section heading on your talk page, and a couple times in the text of the decline. You will also see that it is the only one of your two drafts that has a big pink "Submission declined" box at the top of it. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Request on 20:01:44, 28 December 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Dquintero2017
Hi I am working on my first wiki page and I needed help getting it published. It is not letting me due to not good sources but i think i do have good sources. Dquintero2017 (talk) 20:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * pending paid editing disclosure, see User talk:Dquintero2017. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

20:57:19, 28 December 2017 review of submission by Nilasae
I have tried to cite quite a few independent sources and reviews for Earthside's debut work. From what I learned I can only upload a band photo after the article has been accepted. What else can I add to get the article accepted?

Nilasae (talk) 20:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . The draft's sources are a mixed bag. Powermetal.de, Blabbermouth.net, and Loudwire are reliable. Rock Progresivo, Echoes, Headbangers Latinoamérica, and The Prog Mind are questionable. If you think they are reliable sources, that they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, I suggest you ask at WP:RSN whether they are reliable for supporting a specific statement. Otherwise, remove them, and if possible replace them with sources closer to the Rolling Stone - The New York Times end of the spectrum. You may find WikiProject Albums/Sources useful in deciding where to look and where to avoid.


 * All content must be verifiable. The inline citations are almost all clustered around the statement that their album is internationally aclaimed. Much of the other content does not appear to be supported by any of the sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 03:04, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

22:54:08, 28 December 2017 review of submission by Mctplt
3 of the ISBN# listed in my article for Mike Thaler were shown as incorrect. I pulled the original books and rechecked the ISBN# Stuffed Feet 0-380-84673-x (same as currently shown) Steer Wars ISBN 0-448-17040-X  (same as currently shown) Do You Give Up? ISBN 0-531-02249-8  (different than shown) It was also published in Great Britain with #85166 769 4 (same as currently listed)

Do I need to send you a photocopy of the ISBN# of the titles for verification? thanks for your help Patty Mctplt (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)Mctplt

Mctplt (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi . This page is for questions about the Articles for creation process. When Mike Thaler was accepted, it moved out of our scope. I've fixed the ISBN problem for you, but if you have further questions please consider asking them at the Help desk, where editors will try to answer any question regarding how to use Wikipedia. Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away.


 * Sometimes ISBNs printed on books are inaccurate. This tends to be more of a problem with very small foreign presses, but in any case is very infrequent. Also note that leading zeros are important, and any X should be capitalized, not lower case x. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)