Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 January 9

= January 9 =

Request on 06:38:00, 9 January 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Penuliswiki39
I have received a rejection on my page submission because it does not satisfy Wikipedia's standards and policies of notability. Thing is Chong Ket Pen really is a notable person in my country. His company does all the roadworks and maintenance in my country and he's a very active philanthropist. He is also now working on building affordable homes for the citizens here in Malaysia (not on Wikipedia yet). I don't understand how he is not a notable person as oppose to this guy Tey Por Yee who is just a regular Malaysian businessmen or this guy Mohd Nazifuddin Najib who is nothing but our Prime Minister's son. I don't understand how their article is approved and published as apposed to the one I wrote on Chong Ket Pen. Also Chong Ket Pen has been given the title of "Dato' Seri" which the highest state title conferred by a Malaysian Ruler on the most deserving recipients who have contributed greatly to the nation or state, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_styles_and_titles#Dato.27_Sri

I understand that most our my sources link back to Protasco Berhad but doesn't that count as a reliable source since they are a public listed company? They are required by law to publicly announce everything they've done and is planning to do.

I honestly feel this person should be part of Wikipedia I'd appreciate the help on how can I get it approved. Appreciate the help and advice.

Thanks! Penuliswiki39 (talk) 06:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi, the problem with using the subject's company website as the major source is that it is not Independent. A subject is only considered Notable if people who have no connection to the subject have published significant in-depth information, analysis and commentary about the subject, in reliable sources such as newspapers, magazines, books or academic publications. Wikipedia does not really care what a subject has to say about itself, nor what the subject's company, friends, family, associates, employees, employer, agent, representatives, or any other connected person says about the subject. I have Googled your subject's name and have found numerous newspaper articles about him and his business activities, and that was only in the English language, newspapers such as "Malay Mail Online", "The Star Online" and "The Sun Daily". I presume you would be able to access even more sources in other languages. Use company or personal websites only for uncontroversial simple facts such as dates, addresses, correct spelling of names, etc., never for opinions or arguable claims, unless you are clearly quoting it to make a specific relevant point. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Having said all that and read your draft, I think you might find it easier to write an article about the company, rather than about the current boss. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

20:31:46, 9 January 2017 review of submission by NeheScar
Hello, I am not necessarily requesting a re-review. I just wanted to know which sources the reviewer deemed as trivial and how many non-local sources this business would need before being considered notable? I did send the reviewer an email earlier this morning, but upon reviewing her talk page it says that she is temporarily retired? Can someone help me with this?
 * Hello, NeheScar. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  It seems that your question has been answered by the reviewer at the top of your Draft.  If we can be of any further help, please let us know.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

23:29:24, 9 January 2017 review of submission by Boxx96
I've added more significant independent news sources, I am a bit on the fence including awards and recognitions but the projects hold significant value as almost all of them have existing Wikipedia pages with thousands if not millions of theme park guests and visitors a year.
 * Hello, Boxx. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  The reviewer has left additional comments at the top of your Draft.  If we can be of any further help, please let us know.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)