Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 October 17

= October 17 =

04:55:14, 17 October 2017 review of submission by Mohdabedi
I just need to know the details why my page has been declined from wiki as information which i have provided is authentic and correct. i wanted to know in what way i should represent my information inorder to get accepted by wiki Mohdabedi (talk) 04:55, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It was declined because, as it says in the submission notice, its "references do not adequately show the subject's notability". That's a polite way of putting it. In fact it has no references at all, is excessively promotional, and is partly written in the first person. Maproom (talk) 16:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

05:32:02, 17 October 2017 review of draft by Daniel Höpfl
I‘d like to get some feedback whether you think this topic is significant.

First of all, it is about a German conference, in the German language. This might make it less relevant outside the German speaking countries. Second, it was deleted from the German Wikipedia (twice), undelete was refused recently.

In my opinion (and in the opinion of the majority of commenters in the deletion discussion), the topic is significant. There are no rules of significance for conferences in the german wikipedia but the conference exists for 10 years, had more than 500 attendees in 2016 and has lots of press coverage (besides pure PR reprints).

Checking Notability, I see on the pro side:


 * Macoun got "significant coverage" in the press (online and printed).
 * "Notability is not temporary". Continued coverage in the press for 10 years.
 * "standalone pages": There‘s no "international converences" or "Independent Apple conferences"

Not on Notability but I think this makes Macoun is significant


 * Biggest (Apple related) conference in Europe, bigger than the ones that are held in English!
 * More than 500 attendees - compared to WWDC, this is about the same percentage of potential audience.
 * Attendees from all german speaking countries and from others (2016 and 2017: 9 countries).

On the contra side I see:


 * Deleted in german Wikipedia (disputed, german Wikipedia is known to tend to delete instead of keeping).
 * Disclosure: I'm involved in the conference (team member), does this break "self-promotion and publicity"?

To address the last point, I tried to be as neutral as possible.

Do you think this topic is worth having in (the english) Wikipedia?

Thanks for your opinion.

Daniel Höpfl (talk) 05:32, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, Daniel. Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia.  Our apologies for the great delay in response.  As to your question, I don't know whether an article on this topic would be suitable for Wikipedia.  It might be, but it's difficult to predict how this topic would fare at a deletion discussion.  I do see several points in favor of having the article.  First, the conference has been an annual event for ten years, which distinguishes it from the very many drafts about new conferences/film festivals/book awards/etc.  In those other cases, we can legitimately ask whether interest in the subject will be sustained for any significant period of time.  Here, that doesn't become a question.  I also find it helpful that the conference routinely gets written up on the website of Heinz Heise.  On the other hand ... although I didn't look at all of the sources in your draft, some of the write-ups that I did look at seemed rather brief.  And I didn't check whether those conference reports were written by someone associated with the conference (which, to my thinking, would be a big negative indication for us).  Another possible argument against having the article is the fact that it is sponsored by a company that does not itself have an article here.  I myself wouldn't place much weight on that argument, because I can well believe that an annual conference might indeed be more notable than its sponsor.  But others might disagree.  In all, this strikes me as very much of a "borderline" case and I don't know whether the community would accept an article on this topic. I do have some definite advice about the content of the draft.  All of those year-by-year listings of the conference sessions are far too detailed to be included in an encyclopedia article, especially given that it's all being sourced to the sponsor's web site.  Those lengthy listings can all be replaced with a simple sentence, something like "Material for each of the conferences can be found in the 'Arkiv' section of the macoun.de website".  And on a very minor point, the reference markers (i.e., the "little blue numbers") go after the punctuation marks, not before them.  See WP:REFPUNCT. Regarding your final question, I don't think your being connected to the conference will hurt your chances of getting this article on Wikipedia, because I think you've done a good job of maintaining a neutral, non-promotional tone of voice.  However, if you do proceed to submit this for review (or if you choose to place this directly in Main space), you'll need to declare your connection by placing a connected contributor template on the Talk page of the draft (or article).  If we can be of any help with this, or if you have any questions about any of these comments, feel free to ask.  I hope this response has been helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:16, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your feedback. It is very constructive and helpful! I fixed the reference marks, removed the lengthy listing of sessions (but kept the short one sentence summary, currently as an anchor for the archive link references, will clean that up later), and added the connected contributor template. I didn’t recheck all references but to my knowledge, none of the authors is involved in the organization of the conference. Having a problem here would have surely been a topic in the deletion discussions. I’m fully aware that this topic needs some good will to earn its place in Wikipedia (en). I (and many others that asked about it) think that it should be an article in the German Wikipedia but as things are, once I cleaned up the archive links, I will send this attempt into review and hope for the best. Daniel Höpfl (talk) 08:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

06:35:18, 17 October 2017 review of submission by Writaliano

 * Presumably you had a question about why Draft:AmoLatina was declined, or why it was deleted. It was declined for failing to show that the topic meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, as evidenced by coverage in independent, reliable sources. The topic is mentioned in one book, but I could find no other independent, reliable sources.


 * The draft was deleted for being egregiously promotional. A decline and a speedy deletion are a bad start. I suggest you set the topic aside and edit other subjects for a while (we have over five million that need improvement, see Community portal for how to help), until you develop a better feel for what Wikipedia expects. --Worldbruce (talk) 00:24, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

10:00:37, 17 October 2017 review of submission by Katharina J91
I want to settle up a company page for Bizerba Czech & Slovakia s.r.o. I don't understand, why it's not possible. Could you please explain it to me????
 * It is not possible because Wikipedia is not advertising platform for companies, if the company is well notable wait somebody will surely write one for it one day or you can request for it to be created by by clicking this link and following the instructions therein. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:16, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * An article about the international parent company already exists at Bizerba, local subsidiaries of such companies are seldom notable in their own right. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * , I am not contesting their notability, I am responding to new editor who is asking how to set up page for a company. That is why I started giving him link about policies here. Remember, majority editors (including me) when they're new the first tghing they thought of is how to create page for themselves, their schools or any thing related which will normally get deleted. (There is essay page on this but can't remember it now). So I hope you understand my intention. -Ammarpad (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I am in no way questioning your intention at all. I am simply informing you of the existence of the parent company article. My explanation is for the benefit of the OP, to inform him/her that such articles are very rarely acceptable. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
 * OK Thanks. -Ammarpad (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Request on 10:53:51, 17 October 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Rejith Mohanan
Rejith Mohan (talk) 10:53, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * for copyright violation and notability, as explained on the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 23:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Request on 16:47:32, 17 October 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Afarin Majidi
I don't know how to create inline references. I have links but can't figure out how to fix it. And my draft is under review before I fit it. :( Afarin Majidi (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2017 (UTC)


 * You're welcome here, To create inline citation just follow this simple procedure carefully. First get your statement you want provide citation for, for instance let us say you write "This is my article", so if you want make inline reference just add this   at the end of the statement then add the link you have, for example, "mylink.com".
 * Then make sure; you add  at the end. That means you add something like this at the end:
 * Once you do that properly, your citation will look like this. This is my article. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:35, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

20:08:47, 17 October 2017 review of submission by Adarrah
In the second last paragraph of the first section I mention a syndicated columnist, Ed Koterba. I would like his name to be hyperlinked to this URL: http://www.theessentialedkoterba.com I have been unable to figure out how to create a hyperlink in Wikipedia, so could someone please create the hyperlink for Ed Koterba. Thank you.

Adarrah (talk) 20:08, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, You cannot hyperlink any name in any article with external link because Wikipedia is not links repository, you can only use external links for providing citations, and you've already made citations in the draft, so you can do it. –Ammarpad (talk) 05:43, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello Adarrah and Ammarpad. The only thing such a link could verify is that Koterba was a "nationally syndicated columnist". So what? It's obvious that he was and it adds nothing to the article. It is a link to a website advertising a book about him, self-published by his son. In any case, the link in the citation needs to be to the actual article by Koterba referred to in the reference. I have now added a link to that column, published in another newspaper. Did you read my answer to you in the section above? Voceditenore (talk) 06:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)