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= October 25 =

04:30:41, 25 October 2017 review of submission by Maryam.rezapour1990
Dear Editor In the last ten days, a new article, with the name of "Visual radio in Iran" is submitted in the wikipedia library. This article is introduces the new services which IRIB is provide to its audiences. This kine of radio is different from the last one, it is not as kind of radio nor a TV, in the other words, it integrates radio sounds with some relative pictures to transfer the sense of sounds to audiences. This service is provided in most of provinces and radio stations in Iran. unfortunately, this article did not accept in the library. I need to your guide to edit and improve my articles. Please help me in this subject. Best regards Rezapour Maryam.rezapour1990 (talk) 04:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello, Rezapour. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  The best source of information as to why your submission was declined will be the reviewer who looked at it.  You can find that person's name and Talk page link in the "decline box" near the top of your submission.  But I took a look at your submission and found that I too would have declined it.  Not only do I agree with that reviewer's finding that the language is non-neutral, I also find that is essentially unsourced with respect to the material that is most in need of sourcing.  Although you do have several references, most of them do not mention Iran at all, but simply give background information on Visual Radio.  But that entire section of the draft is unneeded, because we already have an article on visual radio.  As for the use of that medium in Iran -- the part of the draft titled "Implentation" -- you haven't provided any sources at all.  This is a serious deficiency which, in itself, would have called for your submission to be declined.  I suggest that you remove the section that introduces visual radio (replacing it with just a one- or two-sentence reliably-sourced definition), and then concentrate on finding appropriate sources for the actual subject of the draft.  On a lesser note, your unique formatting of the section headings needs to be changed back to standard formatting (i.e., remove the special colors and font sizes).  See MOS:HEADINGS and WP:Manual of Style for more detail on this.  I hope this response has been helpful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 18:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

09:50:13, 25 October 2017 review of submission by L weiwei yt
I am confused, the person who reviewed my article said i needed more inline references now he/she left a message saying ' The problem is not inline references. The need for inline references only applies to BLPs and to controversial or disputed information. . And in any case, it is not usially the key problem which is more likely to be lack of sufficient substantial reliable sources for notability. The purppse of AfC review is to prevent articles from being entered that will inevitable fail WFD. Its easy to move references inline, if that;s the only problem, and it can be done in mainspace--articles do not generally get deleted at AfD for this problem. . Not having references to show notability is something much more fundamental.'

You said that I need to prove the notability of my text by having substantial reliable sources. You also said that my article goes too in depth for a player which wants to play the game. More reliable sources means more research, therefore lading to more in-depth text. What do I need to do?


 * I think you are confusing notability and being in depth. The article needs to have references of published sources writing about the subject (More than just a simple mention), and not be for advertising. With your references, 1,3,4 & 5 have no bearing on Notoriety (As they are promotional) 6 & 7 are just fan reviews of the game (IE not published). 8 & 9 are simply links to the store urls. 3 & 10 are a good start; but not really enough to say that the game in question is worth an article, or that it is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipeida.

I'd actually say it isn't worthy, as there are no official reviews of the game (Metacritic is the best place to look). So you've got your work cut out to change that. Hope this helps Lee Vilenski(talk) 10:38, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much Lee, I looked up on Metacritic and Episode was there(however they were all user reviews. So I think I'll split my Reviews section into fan-based and official and find maybe 'official' reviews, I found some could you tell me whether they're fine to be referred from :

1.http://www.blue-la-goon.com/episode-choose-your-story-feat-mean-girls-senior-year/#Episode_8211_Choose_Your_Story_feat_Mean_Girls_Senior_Year_Gameplay

2.https://www.hypable.com/pretty-little-liars-episode-app-review/

3.http://apps-reviewed.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/episode-choose-your-story-features.html

I will also add more reliable sources and update my article. The problem I still don't understand is the inline references;I don't know where or whether I should have them, after reading the handout on it.


 * , fan based 'reviews' are not for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is the for reliable sources (Such as public reviewers). The citations you have given me are not fantastic, the original is promotional, and the others are hardly reliable sources. You may be better off finding some details on the production, or the creation of the game (Such as the team behind it, or the game engine, etc) which would give some more insight into the article. Lee Vilenski(talk) 15:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but you still didn't answer my about the question on inline references, will I need them?
 * , I think one of the reviewers made the answer on the page - It's always a good idea to have the article look like it belongs on Wikipedia (Thus, inline references, rather than a list), but it shouldn't be something that stops the article being published. Inline citations are the backbone of Wikipedia. Almost every sentence you say in an article should be cited by some reference; as the article is not allowed to have been researched by you; it needs to be sourced, so that we can prove everything that is being said is true! Best way to do Citations in my head, is to read the article back; read a portion that makes a defined point, and you'll need to have a reference that states that point. If you can't find one, it's not for Wikipedia. If it is, add it in <*ref> tags.


 * If you continue to have issues, please let me know on my talk page. Lee Vilenski(talk) 15:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Countries Iranian citizens travel the most
Dear admin,

My page was not accepted due to this note "Can't see how a list of countries most visited by another country's citizens is an encyclopedic list."

Page link--> Countries Iranian citizens travel the most

My answer: This is very informative! It says to you which countries citizens of a particular country are more intertwined with. For example, it says Iranians travel to Turkey the most which shows how Iranians and Turks are similar. 35% of Iranians are Azeri which is a Turkic descent. On the other hand, it shows only 4 Iranians travelled to Bhutan which says how far in interests these 2 countries are. Please confirm the page! Milad Mosapoor (talk) 16:11, 25 October 2017 (GMT)


 * Hello, Milad. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  I'm inclined to think that the reviewer made the right decision in declining your submission.  To my knowledge, we don't have similar articles on the travel destinations of the citizens of any other country and you've offered no reason to believe that Iran is a special case that merits attention.  If you truly believe that this is an encyclopedic topic, you'll need to show that there are reliable sources that talk about this topic in depth.  And by "in depth", we don't mean a source that simply gives a listing of data.  Instead, we mean one that discusses the topic in a way that shows it to be something of economic or sociological interest.  I didn't see any such sources in your submission but, if I missed one, please let us know.  I hope this response has been helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi NewYorkActuary and thanks for your response. With all respect, I would keep silent and nothing to write if you think 1 article must not be submitted because there is no similarity with other articles! We must all remember that 1 day the English Wikipedia had 1 article and now has 5,498,887 so these articles created gradually without having any former dependency. Milad Mosapoor (talk) 22:18, 25 October 2017 (GMT)

17:05:45, 25 October 2017 review of submission by Kindness33
Hello. I added citations to the wiki page "Ursula Hayden" and submitted it for review. I was wondering if you could please review it? Thank you Kindness33 (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, Kindness. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  Right now, there are more than 200 submissions in the queue ahead of yours, so I expect it will take the better part of a week before a reviewer gets a chance to take a look at it.  Thank you for your patience.  If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

22:11:07, 25 October 2017 review of submission by Makasinych
Hello! I created a draft of article about Avant festival. All information in the article is verified and supported by sources (well established and reliable Russian media). There are no any opinion-kind content in the article, only facts. Please could you advice why the draft has not been accepted and what should we change in order to create article about this issue and this way contribute to Wikipedia? I have noticed that articles about other festivals in Russia were accepted, for example, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subbotnik_Festival Makasinych (talk) 22:11, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, the reason the reviewer gave was the tone of the article. I had a look, and it's to do with how things are written in the article. Read it back, then look at another article in Wikipedia, and use it as a base. The wording just needs to be moved so that it can be read by someone neutral, in paragraphs for the prose. I'd also suggest expanding the article, as at the moment, I'd suggest it isn't noteworthy enough that there is a music event that takes place. I'd start by stating more on how many people attend, and cultural impact.


 * I have also moved your references to the references section. Hope this helps. Lee Vilenski(talk) 09:44, 26 October 2017 (UTC)