Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 October 31

= October 31 =

01:08:00, 31 October 2017 review of submission by MelodyAnn
MelodyAnn (talk) 01:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC) Hello! Here's the article in question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MelodyAnn/sandbox I want to be clear as to what the issues are before proceeding. The article was rejected because the references and cites are not significant enough or notable enough in their own right, correct? It has nothing to do with wording or the way I cited them, correct? So, I need to find more reputable media discussing the topic and backing up what I described? Thank you for your time! MelodyAnn (talk) 01:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Articles on Wikipedia must meet a notability criterion, in this case WP:EVENT. It looks like you currently have two arguably reliable sources: and  which is the minimum required. Additionally WP:EVENT requires non-local (national or international) coverage for these subjects. I think you've arguably minimally met that requirement too. In summary, you're at the edge of meeting our notability requirement. If you can find one more non-local source, there should be no question. ~Kvng (talk) 13:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I concur with Kvng. blog.sonicbids.com is self-published, so it is not a reliable source. Remove it from the draft. Tigerbill.com is questionable; it may be better to remove it. I've added other potential sources to a "Further reading" section. Accessing some of them may require going to a library and using a database such as ProQuest, or asking at WP:RX. The New York Times is the strongest source; use it to support as much as it can. The Morning Call and other local newspapers are next best.


 * The blue wall of text under "Notable performances" is awkward. Grouping musicians into Blues Hall of Famers, Rock n' Roll Hall of Famers, etc. is somewhat useful, but may not be the best portrayal of the festival, which typically has one big name per day and a bunch of lesser-known local talents. Consider breaking the list of performers up by period - either by decade or at some inflection point in the history of the festival, such as when it expanded beyond one day or when it added a second stage. See Grant Park Music Festival for an example of more readable prose about performances, but please don't mimic that article's awful use of pictures. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

03:15:39, 31 October 2017 review of submission by M-Lee-T
I got a rejection, with some helpful suggestions (and some not so helpful. Editors need to abide by your rule, "Be Nice!") I have produced huge documents for Fortune 500 companies and comparable utilities. I don't need snide remarks. It is a very different style.

I have made a lot of changes but am awaiting help on some others. My only choice seems to be to resubmit it. Can't I save what I have already done in order to work on it again tomorrow? I realize it is not ready for resubmission.

One big thing apparently is that you don't cite other Wiki pages. I don't know how the links are established which appear when you run your cursor over a phrase and it changes color and gives you the link. Those would remove at least half of my 'citations'. Just don't know how. Liam Goligher is someone who is tied in with dozen of people and organizations which already have a Wiki page. He was on the Board of Directors of some, was a major speaker or teacher at others. Hardly an insignificant person. All his predecessors have Wiki pages.

Why so abrupt in rejecting it? My citations are to the greatest Christian magazines and news outlet in North America serving directly and indirectly tens of millions of readers. The NY Times covers almost nothing about religion, but this comes close to a combination of NYT and Newsweek for Christians.

Also, I need help for using some ISBN software, or does Wiki do it automatically. Also, large, bound sets of CD or MP3 discs do not seem to have ISBN numbers. Or am I wrong? These sets are having a major impact across North America and are important. Not every published these days in is print or even readable format online. At just one conference, 600 people grabbed these sets.

Thanking you in advance for helping me where you can.

M-Lee-T (talk) 03:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * As an example, I turned one of the references to Wikipedia in Draft:Liam Goligher into an internal link, using double square brackets around the term. See WP:Linking for more details. As a second example, I modified the first two entries in the list of works to use cite book templates, which results in the ISBN linking effect that I think you were driving at. For more information see Manual of Style/Lists of works.
 * I also left a basket of links on your talk page that may help you navigate what is a very different writing environment and type of writing. Trying to create a new article is diving in at the deep end, and you've done it from the 10-meter board to boot. If you want to practice your technique a bit before your next big submission, we have over 5 million articles that could be improved. See Community portal for ways to help. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

11:58:16, 31 October 2017 review of submission by Haniazaatari
I would like to know if it is possible to add a contributor/editor to help with referencing my article. And if it is possible to protect my article later on from vandalism or future unapproved edits. Haniazaatari (talk) 11:58, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:OWN, no one person owns or controls specific articles (including approving edits).Naraht (talk) 14:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Can I still have a contributor to help me writing and proving the person i am writing about is notable?
 * I can take a look, if you like, but I don't have much knowledge in the field. In this sort of situation, I would recommend copying the structure of another similar article. From my limited knowledge of the field, it would seem that Kahlil Gibran is a very good article, though with significantly more information that you have. However, don't feel that you need to get to that level. There are several other articles under Category:Lebanese poets that may be more useful guides. Also, see Help:Arabic if you need any help on getting the language correct in wikipedia.Naraht (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

14:03:04, 31 October 2017 review of submission by Satyakrishnareddy
Satyakrishnareddy (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to put a personal biography or an autobiography. Notability is needed for a biography to exist.Naraht (talk) 14:08, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Request on 21:17:24, 31 October 2017 for assistance on AfC submission by Atilab
I want to know about getting my article 'Victorino Tejera' indexed at google. I have supplied the best sources I know of and will continue to supply additional historic citations as I get them.

Thanks Atila

Atilab (talk) 21:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi we have no way of influencing when and how Google finds and indexes new articles. It can take anything from a few minutes to several days, all we can do is wait. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:29, 31 October 2017 (UTC)