Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2017 October 6

= October 6 =

12:42:35, 6 October 2017 review of submission by Jhargrov
This draft was reviewed and declined with the comment that more sourcing is needed. If I resubmit without proper changes, the draft will be discarded.

I have added three new references to published papers in the Florida Historical Quarterly along with descriptive text where they are cited. The new references are 10, 16, and 19, plus a US Supreme Court decision (17). All can be verified as complete pdf files on line.

The three original primary references are the scholarly books by historians: Drs. Coker and Watson (ref. 2), Rogers (1), and Owens (11). These books are in libraries and there is no pdf for them.

Please let me know if these changes are sufficient to resubmit, or what else I might do to improve the article. The subject covered is very important in Florida History and the existing Wikipedia article on Panton, Leslie and Company does not cover the later years of the successor firm, John Forbes and Company.

Thank you for answering and to the original reviewer for his work. Jhargrov (talk) 12:42, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Draft:John Forbes and Company (Southeastern United States Indian traders) is a pleasure to read. I made some changes to bring it more in line with Wikipedia's best practices, and tagged some problems. If it were submitted, I would accept it as it, and let the problems be fixed in article space. If you wish to work on them yourself before resubmitting the draft, that's okay too. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

16:21:20, 6 October 2017 review of submission by Taxaccountant
Taxaccountant (talk) 16:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

I find it ridiculous that my article on John Batt (full name: Malcolm John Batt) was declined. He was: a human rights lawyer who in 2000 represented Sally Clark convicted of murder after two children died of cot death. This case is reported on Wikipedia. It led to a change in the law in which John was highly instrumental. He was also a television scriptwriter for a series of programmes that ran on ITV for several years. He was a composer whose works include a memorable signature tune heard almost every day on ITV for 20 years.

Frankly if someone of this eminence is rejected by Wikipedia, I don't know what arbitrary standards you follow.


 * Hi, I'm afraid it's clear that you have not actually read the decline note. You have provided no references at all in the draft, in the pedantically literal sense you've provided no evidence of even the existence of the person you've written about. Please see the Referencing for beginners guide. By the way, "declined" is nowhere near "permanently and irrevocably rejected", all it means is there is a problem with the draft that needs to be fixed before it can be accepted. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

18:00:21, 6 October 2017 review of submission by Lizzirees
I am a paid contributor for an organization, Alertus Technologies and we are trying to request someone to write an article about our organization. I submitted that request through the article wizard but someone marked it as spam. Where do I need to go to submit the request? Is it the article wizard or the user page? I have been receiving mixed responses from the Wikipedia editing community.

Lizzirees (talk) 18:00, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . The correct place to request that an article be written about a topic is Requested articles. If Alertus Technologies is a for-profit company, you'll want the subpage Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies. You'll need to list multiple, independent, reliable sources. Novices are usually advised to provide at least three. Think sources like The Wall Street Journal, Inc., Harvard Business Review, and the like. --Worldbruce (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

18:45:13, 6 October 2017 review of draft by Sudhanambudiri
I want to edit the title of the article

Sudhanambudiri (talk) 18:45, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi . Editors are not allowed to change the titles of pages until they've gained a bit more experience editing Wikipedia than you have. If you wish to change the title of Draft:Vaidyanatnam Triprangode Moossad, the simplest thing to do is wait until it is ready to be submitted for review (right now it cites only one source, it will probably need to cite at least three to have any chance of being accepted). By then you may have earned the ability to move a page. If not, just leave a note to the reviewer at the top telling them what you think the article name should be if they accept the draft. --Worldbruce (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

20:28:56, 6 October 2017 review of submission by Charliepeterson123
Charliepeterson123 (talk) 20:28, 6 October 2017 (UTC) Hello,

I don't understand why my page "Chelsea Sofia Gilliland" was declined. The reasoning was because there was no independent reliable coverage, however, I am not sure what this means.

Thank you for your time.


 * Hi . An independent or third-party source is one that has no vested interest in a topic. The subject of a biography is not an independent source about themselves because it is to their advantage to make themselves look good. Similarly, organization giving someone an award, selling their music, or working with them has a vested interest in promoting them. The bulk of any article should come from independent reliable sources.


 * The ideal independent source in this case would be a scholarly one, a musicologist writing in a peer-reviewed journal. Failing that, next best would be a professional journalist writing for the most reputable and mainstream outlet you can find (think Boston Globe, Rolling Stone, or NPR). I've left on your talk page some links to information generally useful in writing for Wikipedia. Another page that may be helpful for writing about musicians is WikiProject Musicians/Article guidelines. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2017 (UTC)