Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2018 July 11

= July 11 =

19:37:04, 11 July 2018 review of submission by GregRundlett
I really don't understand why my draft article for Pagure has been declined repeatedly as "advertising" when it's about a free software package (thus it's not a product, and there is no revenue associated with software). More to the point, there is an article for EVERY other similar software package that I know of, and even a comparison of them at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_source_code_hosting_facilities. Since Microsoft just acquired GitHub, and many people were flocking to GitLab as an alternative, I thought that the world should know about Pagure. I didn't know about it, and I'm a free software developer + MediaWiki hacker!

So, to summarize: I'm not related to the project. The article isn't advertising since it's not even "for sale". The software which is the subject of the article fits into a category that is exhaustively covered in Wikipedia, but which is currently misleading since it omits a very high-quality option. GregRundlett (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Greetings. As you know that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which means the content should the summary of multiple independent reliable sources and it should be written in a "plain, factual manner". The content word choice and delivery such as using the word "you" or "your" do give an impression it is a advertising/promotional piece. In addition, the delivery should not be having the connotation to convince, influence the readers'emotions to the benefits of the products. Lastly, please use your own words to write the article as the this paragraph was copied and pasted from source "With Pagure you can host your project with its documentation, let your users report issues or request enhancements using the ticketing system and build your community of contributors by allowing them to fork your projects and contribute to it via the now-popular pull-request mechanism. Pagure uses gitolite to manage who has read/write access to which git repository via SSH"


 * Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Hi . I only see Draft:Pagure being declined once, by Tazerdadog, so I'm not sure where you're getting "declined repeatedly as 'advertising'". The draft is in the pool to be reviewed, so I won't preempt that by commenting on the draft specifically, but on Wikipedia the word "advertising" is used as shorthand for any kind of advertising, showcasing, advocacy, soapboxing, propagandizing, opinion, promotion, marketing, or public relations. It doesn't matter whether the subject is for-profit. You describe yourself as a "free software advocate" and call Pagure "a very high-quality option". What you do off-wiki is your business, but you're not welcome to advocate on Wikipedia. This is not the place to get the word out about anything.


 * The flaw in the reasoning that something should have an article because similar things have articles is the assumption that those similar things should have articles. Existence of an article doesn't mean it complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Large numbers of existing articles are deleted every day. The essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you understand why your argument will not move any experienced Wikipedian.


 * Creating a new article is one of the most difficult, time consuming, and frustrating things one can attempt on Wikipedia. There are a million easier and more productive ways to improve the encyclopedia. See Community portal for ways to help. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

21:17:43, 11 July 2018 review of submission by Carlden10
Hi, I am not sure what sources are unreliable below. I'm being told specifically iTunes is unreliable, ok, I can delete that if that's true, but what about the New York Times, etc? I'm at loss as I've been waiting more than four months for this to be completed (I wasn't notified of the last decline until I checked myself). Thank you for your time.

"Bio". Radmila Lolly. "IV Stories at the Standard Hotel - EP". Apple. Retrieved 30 September 2016. Patrick, McMullan. "Radmila Lolly Album Release at Zankel Hall at Carnegie Hall". Patrick McMullan. Retrieved 30 September 2016. "Radmila Lolly & Friends". Carnegie Hall. Smeyne, Rebecca. "Halloween Dress-Up for a Cause". The New York Times. The New York Times. "Press Release 11th Annual Fashion on the Square Featuring Michael Costello Radmila Lolly". Glass House PR. Glass House PR. Retrieved 2 November 2016. "STELLÉ CELEBRATES: THE LAUNCH OF NEW SMART PILLAR COLLECTION WITH AMAZON". Gotham Magazine. Retrieved 4 October 2017. Nesis, Lieba. "New York Evening Hours". Lookonline. Retrieved 26 September 2016. Carlden10 (talk) 21:17, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * , Greetings to you. Independent and reliable sources (secondary source) are what Wikipedia after. A source might be reliable such as The New York Times, but whether the piece is independence of not would depend on the content. If the piece of article in The New York Time is a interview piece with the subject then it is not independent as the content would largely information given by the subject.  Please refer to   these tables regarding types of source, what constitutes independent, reliable and examples or sources.  Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 15:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)