Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2018 June 14

= June 14 =

02:36:37, 14 June 2018 review of submission by Gbabeux
NOTE: I want help, not to resubmit the draft for review yet. Hi, I would like some help with my existing draft. It has been refused for the following reason : "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies." The reviewer left this comment : "There is all kinds of personal style unsourced material and the page lacks an encyclopedic tone. Deleted a few days ago from mainspace G11 advertising Legacypac (talk) 05:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)"

I have contacted him on his talk page to ask him if he could point me to some solution but he only pointed me to some errors and did not propose any solution. I do understand the tone needs to be changed but I would like to know how you guys would change it to a proper tone for Wikipedia. Maybe some parts of the draft should be removed/added ? Also, I would like to know if there would be a solution concerning the references. The reviewer said that they were not reliable. I have found 123 links concerning Ajay Mathur and could not find anything more reliable. The thing is if I do not use those sources, then I do not have references and if the article does not have references it will be declined again and again ... This is a bit frustrating ... I would like help ! Thank you in advance. Gbabeux (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . Perhaps there's nothing reliable to find, and Wikipedia should not have an article about Mathur. That's a solution.


 * Novice editors are usually advised to cite at least three indpendent, reliable, secondary sources that contain significant coverage of their topic. The first two sources you cite are blogs, and the third is written by a PR firm. They are worthless for demonstrating notability. WikiProject Albums/Sources lists some sources that Wikipedians have generally found reliable for writing about albums and musicians.


 * Which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO do you think Mathur most unambiguously satisfies? What are the three best sources you can find that prove he satisfies it? Make your case for notability in the first sentence or two of the lead, per MOS:BLPLEAD. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

07:21:46, 14 June 2018 review of submission by Dr Vizy Dahiya
Dr Vizy Dahiya 07:21, 14 June 2018 (UTC) I have recently submitted a page for publish by the name CURA Healthcare Pvt. Ltd., but its rejected. I am an employee of CURA Healthcare and wanted to create the page just for information purpose. Kindly guide me what should be the content of the page so that its published on Wikipedia.


 * Hi, Welcome to AfC help desk. Please note that you have a conflict of interest (COI) here. COI means any any person, who is affiliated to the subject of a Wikipedia page (family members, friends, client, employers, yourself and etc), involves in contribution of the page. If a person is paid to write about a subject, that is a financial conflict of interest. COI is strongly discourage on Wikipedia as COI editors would/might not able/aware to write the article in a neutral point of view. For COI, editor need to disclose your COI when involved with the effected article, . COI discloses need to be made on user page (your user page), article talk page and on edit summary of an edit you made.  You could find how to disclose COI here. You could also place on the article talk page and state your suggestion. Prior trying to improve your article, pls make sure the subject of your article is notable according to Wikipedia's guidelines - see here organisation notability requirements and if it meet the requirement, please make sure your write it in neutral point of view.  Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:00, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

07:22:14, 14 June 2018 review of submission by Fv4900
Christmas Island is not a nation, but every other territorial football team ie. not an independent nation has 'national football team' as its name. Even Cocos Islands, which have the exact same status as Christmas Island, is called 'national' football team. Therefore according to precedent Christmas Island should be called 'national football team' too.

Fv4900 (talk) 07:22, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi Greetings to you.  Both Cocos and Christmas Islands are not an independent nations, for such national team might not be suitable. Secondly. Both are no considered meet the notability as they only play against each other and no other international teams which would most likely to be deleted or proposed to be deleted. Lastly, article are assess individually. thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:50, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

13:46:08, 14 June 2018 review of submission by Wikieditor1808
Wikieditor1808 (talk) 13:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

14:17:53, 14 June 2018 review of submission by 69.172.183.125
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Hi, I'm new to all this. So am not completely sure how to ask for help.

I created a draft article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Koho_Financial ).

Someone reviewed the article, and it said: "Submission declined on 10 June 2018".

The reason given was: "This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue.".

I am trying to understand this.

AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM MISTAKEN, BUT it sounds like the focus of the complaint is this: "Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject".

AND AGAIN, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM MISTAKEN, BUT in particular, this: "significant coverage".

I think I don't understand what "significant" means in this context.

Wouldn't having multiple articles written on the company in the Financial Post, The Globe and Mail, TechVibes, BetaKit, BC Business be "significant"?

(Especially the Financial Post and The Globe and Mail tend to be considered top publications in Canada.)

(And TechVibes and BetaKit are big in the Canadian tech scene.)

If "no", then what would "significant" look like?

69.172.183.125 (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It would look more like a substantial article, and less like a collection of regurgitated press releases. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  22:37, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi {{u|69.172.183.125}}, Added on what {{u|Orangemike}} comment above, please read WP:ORGCRITE and see "see 16:46:49, 28 May 2018 review of submission by Soniaang - see "source section" which might help you further on your question.  CASSIOPEIA{{sup|(talk)}} 23:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

20:53:36, 14 June 2018 review of submission by Mehulcreative
I just drafted a page Sudhir Desai. But the works Section has disappeared? Could you please let me know why?

Mehulcreative (talk) 20:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, Good day. I have reinsert the "Works" section back for you.  There are referencing issues in the page. Please visit WP:Referencing for Beginners and please read  the Wikipedia nobility guidelines for WP:AUTHOR to make sure the subject meets the guidelines as no amount of editing and referecing will merit a page in Wikipedia if the subject fails to meet the notability requirements.  Let us know if anything else we could help. Cheers.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 22:13, 14 June 2018 (UTC)e

Request on 21:55:54, 14 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Eujoe
Hi need help with this article. i need help with referencing and notability issue

Eujoe (talk) 21:55, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, Greetings to you. Your article has declined for five times with four different reviewers. All of them pointed to the same issue as of why the article does not merit a page in Wikipedia - the subject does not meet Wikipedia notability guideline (pls see - WP:JOURNALIST).  If the subject do not have reliable, independent sources (from major newspaper, reputable journals) that "directly" talk about Chamwada and review his works then that is noting to demonstrate his notability in Wikipedia and a page in Wikipedia is not permissible. Have a good day. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 22:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I Believe that the subject is notable. he is widely known. just try searching his name on google. his various works are also available. are there any pointers specifically that you can tell me to actually fix? His show al Eujoe (talk) 22:42, 14 June 2018 (UTC)


 * , First of all, you dont need to reply in a "new section". Kindly house all the messages in the same place so there is a thread for referencing if other editors would like to comment or assist in this request. Just click "edit" next to this message title "Request on 21:55:54, 14 June 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Eujoe", scroll to the bottom and start writing.  Please read again of the link I and other reviewers provided to you. It is not what we "believe" a subject is notable/famous/important, but the subject need to demonstrate he has meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines. There might be sources around, but the sources have to be independent, reliable (such as from major newspapers "directly" talking about him or reviewing of his works) that significantly covers the subject. If you need there are then put inline citation in the article and resubmit. Thank you. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 22:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * User:CASSIOPEIA] Thank you for your feedback.. There are various online blogs, tabloids that feature him. most of his interviews have not been done online bt in TV stations out here. All the shows that he does are also doing well trending on a weekly basis. is there an exception for me to use the tabloids as refrences?  also is it possible for you to help make the article a stub then i can look for the materials required in due time then expand it into  a complete article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eujoe (talk • contribs) 23:05, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , Four reviewers and I have explained the issues to you and providing the links but apparently you do not bother to read them. All of us are volunteers on our free time and we cant help you if you dont help yourself. Please read what constitutes primary, secondary, tertiary, reliable, independent sources are (see source section) at (pls click the blue highlighted texts) "see 16:46:49, 28 May 2018 review of submission by Soniaang - see "source section"" and WP:RS. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 23:31, 14 June 2018 (UTC)