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= March 9 =

04:06:44, 9 March 2018 review of submission by DonnaSaunders
My submission has been declined due to the subject only being notable for one event, his death. Would it be more acceptable to write a page on Stuart Saddle, which is a feature of the Arthur Ranges, Southwest National Park, Tasmania. This feature was formerly known as Scoparia Saddle and renamed after Stuart's death and burial there. Scoparia saddle is visited by many bushwalkers and climbers each year as part of the trek to Federation Peak. Thanks for your advice. DonnaSaunders (talk) 04:06, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello, Donna. Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia.  The reviewer who looked at it certainly has a good point about this being a case of "one event" notability.  Indeed, it's a strong point.  The only counter-argument that I can see is the naming of Stuart Saddle, which arguably could be taken as evidence of significance beyond the mere fact of his death.  But when I checked at the website for Tasmania's Park and Wildlife agency, I couldn't find any evidence that they recognize "Stuart Saddle" as the name of any feature.  And our article on Southwest National Park doesn't mention it either.  The saddle is listed as a Named Place in our article on Arthur Range (Tasmania), but there's no sourcing for it.  Can you point us to any evidence that Stuart Saddle does have some official recognition?  If not, I don't see how this draft can be accepted for publication, nor do I see a suitable existing article where the material might properly be placed. I hope this response has been helpful and I look forward to your response.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Request on 11:44:09, 9 March 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Pdupont4
Pdupont4 (talk) 11:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, I can't actually see what it is that the article was, because it seems to have been deleted. It looks as though it was deleted as it was a test page, in the wrong place for such a test. The string is User:Pdupont4/sandbox/User: Pdupont4, which suggests that you were likely trying to create a User page, which could be created at User:Pdupont4, rather than through the Sandbox. If this is wrong, and you were trying to create a draft, the title of a draft should be the topic, and not your username.


 * Sadly, as I can't see the draft, I cannot do too much, but if there if there is anything more you need to know, please write me a message on my talk page, and click "New message".  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:25, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

12:49:38, 9 March 2018 review of submission by Will Harvey
Hi, I just need to know what I need to do. Also, will the entries for exhibitions display as a block of text or can I style as a list? Thank youWill Harvey (talk) 12:49, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * - I'm afraid there are quite a lot of issues and the draft's just been rejected again. In brief:
 * Inline citations - you haven't got any inline citations (sources) - indeed you haven't any sources at all, see below. Basically, you can't have a draft biography of a living person that doesn't have inline citations. Read Help:Referencing for beginners to understand why you need them and how to use them. And have a look at a good artist biography, say this one Edward Burne-Jones, to see them used in practice.
 * Sources - you haven't actually got any sources at all and your draft will never get accepted without them. Sources are like the life blood of Wikipedia; they establish Notability and they allow readers to verify what they're reading. So you need to find reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject that discuss Crowley and his work. Reviews, criticisms, notices etc. in newspapers, journals, magazines, tv etc. If these sources don't exist, Crowley's not sufficiently Notable and your draft won't be accepted.
 * Length - it's no reason to decline it, but, for me, the draft's too long. It's almost Francis Bacon length. Do we really need all those details of minor exhibitions of forty years ago? If we do, they need to be sourced.
 * Neutral point of view - Wikipedia articles are neutral and they summarise what reliable sources say. They are not opinion pieces. This draft is stuffed with sentence after sentence of personal opinion. They all need to go.
 * Conflict of interest - I'm guessing you have a connection. If you do, this needs to be declared and you need to follow the guidance on editing with a Coi.
 * I'm afraid there really is quite a lot of work to do. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

14:10:41, 9 March 2018 review of submission by SaranyaRethas
I have made several changes to the page and everytime I send it for review, the article is getting declined. I have attached a Wiki page for reference and the page consists all the required confirmation for the information provided in this page.

All the external links contains the name of "Nelson DilipKumar" and those are not something editable from public, all the external reference pages are media pages.

I am still not understanding what exactly the problem is. Please provide me with more details and at least steps needs to be done if in case you are declining the article again. I am not understand what needs to be done.

Thanks in advance.

SaranyaRethas (talk) 14:10, 9 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . Wikipedia, being user-generated, is not a reliable source and should not be used as a reference. Anything added to Wikipedia must be supported by reliable sources. The usual way of doing this, especially for biographies of living people, is to use inline citations. Possibly the entries in the draft's "External links" section can be turned into references. For example, the second sentence of the draft:
 * Nelson had previously worked with Silambarasan for a project titled Vettai Mannan starring Deeksha Seth and Hansika Motwani which after completing half the shoot, ran into production trouble.
 * is partly supported by CinemaExpress:
 * [Dilipkumar] directed Simbu, Hansika and Jai in Vettai Mannan, a film that got shelved for unknown reasons.
 * Cite CinemaExpress using an inline citation, and modify the sentence so it doesn't say more than what the source supports (or add a second source that supports the otherwise unsupported bits):
 * Dilipkumar had previously worked on a film titled Vettai Mannan starring Hansika Motwani, which ran into production trouble.
 * Follow the same process for every fact in the draft. That will solve the problem of the draft being unreferenced. However, the problem of notability may be insurmountable at this point in his career. It would be extremely unusual for a filmmaker who has not completed any film to be notable. Normally a director would not achieve notability until they had released several successful films that drew significant attention to them in reliable secondary sources. --Worldbruce (talk) 04:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

16:35:41, 9 March 2018 review of submission by TryKid
Can someone review this for me and tell me if I need to make any changes to it?

TryKid (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * NOTE: Response given at March 10 posting. NewYorkActuary (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

16:45:56, 9 March 2018 review of submission by Laurel
I did a page for a new book I just read, Why Bad Things Happen to Good Investments. I was trying to put an image of the book cover and one of the charts from the book on the page, but I do not know how. Laurel 16:45, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * - I'm afraid the absence of an image is not the biggest problem this draft has. It reads like an advertisement for the book and its only sourcing is to the book itself. This won't do as we need significant coverage from reliable sources independent of the subject to show that the book is Notable. Also, if you have a connection to the book or the author, this needs to be declared as a Conflict of Interest. Hope this helps. KJP1 (talk) 17:12, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

16:48:19, 9 March 2018 review of submission by 68.102.39.189
I Hope This Will Move from Draft to mainspace later because it has a reference. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * - As discussed in four drafts above, this appears to be Too soon. The season's not yet started so, of necessity, your draft is full of holes. Wouldn't it be better to write the article once the games have been played? KJP1 (talk) 17:19, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

18:24:12, 9 March 2018 review of submission by 185.176.244.88
Can someone help me change this from Christopher_Nolan_Filmography to Christopher_Nolan_filmography? Thanks in advance! 185.176.244.88 (talk) 18:24, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * - Done. KJP1 (talk) 18:29, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

22:38:55, 9 March 2018 review of submission by 68.102.39.189
I Hope that with one reference this is enough to move to mainspace 68.102.39.189 (talk) 22:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm failing miserably to get across to this contributor (see five other queries above). Anyone with a better understanding of the sport than I who can help him? KJP1 (talk) 08:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)