Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2018 May 29

= May 29 =

05:45:03, 29 May 2018 review of submission by Pgedits2015
This is very strange to be rejected. It says not notable.

It is practically a copy of the format of a previous mayor of the same city. Wikipedia lists the mayors of the city and three of them have pages. One does not and I'm simply trying to add that mayor's content. The current mayor has a page and uses the same cited reference.

Is this submission incorrectly formatted?

Pgedits2015 (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:POLITICIAN. This lists the inclusion criteria for Political articles for Wikipedia. The article doesn't meet these criteria, so would need to have significant coverage from independent sources, to meet WP:GNG, the General Notability Guidelines.


 * Your argument, that because other similar articles exists is a logical one, but sadly flawed. Wikipedia doesn't simply include articles because WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Even if there was a poorly sourced article that is similar to the one you wanted to create, saying that it exists does not mean that this one should exist. In fact, it suggests it should probably be nominated for deletion (WP:AfD)  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:03, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Request on 06:31:09, 29 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Shemeem Panathur
Shemeem Panathur (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi - I'm not exactly sure what the question is, but I assume it's regarding your article that was declined. WP:POPULATED places, such as towns, cities, villages are automatically notable, and do not need to worry about notability issues. However, we still need a reliable source that proves that this location exists (and is or was populated.) Having looked on google maps, it appears as though it is a place, so you should easily be able to WP:CITE a source in the article for this. If you have issues, see Help:Referencing for beginners. 13:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

14:58:26, 29 May 2018 review of submission by Huursa
Hi there i would like to know why my submission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Siege_of_Ragnarok_25 was declined? I was just telling the story about a real player battle that took place in ARK: Survival Evolved, it's just a battle report i have no idea how that would be a game guide. Looks like double standarts are prevalent here because this virtual battle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB was approved but my page about Ragnarok 25 not. Huursa (talk) 14:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi - It was declined, as it doesn't pass the notability guidelines for wikipedia. I can see that a lot of work has been placed into the article, but video game matches are not notable, unless commented on by reliable sources (The Media). Wikipedia is not the place for this type of WP:GAMECRUFT.  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 15:41, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay but do youtubers, videos, streamers who have participated in the battle count as reliable source, because they were literally there and they can tell what happened.? Lee Vilenski  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huursa (talk • contribs) 15:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * - We aren't looking to fact check exactly, although that is something that references can do. We are looking to see that the subject of the article is notible. Something that has significance to wikipedia, and not simply a video game that happened.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Bloodbath of B-R5RB was covered in major publications like Wired and Vox, that's why that article is considered satisfactory. Scroll down to the References section of that article, and that should give you an idea of what you're looking for. You can't cite people who were personally in the game, because they aren't objective witnesses, and because their personal interest in the event does not mean that the outside world finds it significant ("Notable"). What would prove Notability is citing major publications which found the event worthy of comment and analysis. If nobody in the professional world found it worth writing about, then Wikipedia doesn't need to write about it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Huursa - You have asked these questions in at least three places, at my talk page (although I didn't review it), at the Teahouse, and here (and maybe other talk pages). I would advise that asking the same questions in too many places isn't helpful.  As I explain at the Teahouse, my own view is that I don't see why simulated virtual electronic battles are notable.  We have thousands of articles on real battles, which are notable regardless of what century and continent they were fought in, as long as there is a reliable account (or even, in ancient times, a written account).  That is my opinion.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

22:06:47, 29 May 2018 review of submission by 49.148.247.82
Help! already removed unreliable source but doesn't still pass?
 * Hi IP User. The game in question is almost completely non-notable, and therefor isn't acceptable for an article on Wikipedia. Lots of Video games do meet the WP:NGAMES notability guidelines, but this one does not. Outside of the rock, Paper, Shotgun article (Which is very good), there is nothing that shows notability for the game. I have also removed all WP:USERGEN from this article, as it is misleading.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:09, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

22:58:25, 29 May 2018 review of submission by ShaoMau
Hi There - I am submitting a page for the first time. I am trying to be as upfront as possible about my affiliation with the company, so I would like advice on if this is clear enough and how I can avoid COI.

Second, if there are any points I should elaborate on or if I should add more sources?

Thanks!

ShaoMau (talk) 22:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Greetings to you and thank you for being up front on conflict of interest disclosure.

Thank you.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 02:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * 1) Pls scroll up to the message title  "16:46:49, 28 May 2018 review of submission by Soniaang" (the last message on May 28, 2018) where I have address COI and source info which would applied to you. However, please note Wikipedia strongly discourage COI editor edit/add content on the affected article as editor might/could not able to write the article in neutral point of view or objectively.
 * 2) The WP:Golden rule is that article needs significant coverage (multiple secondary sources) that is independent and reliable of the subject.
 * 3) Pls read through the organisation notability requirement - see here WP:NCORP to gauge if JFrog meets the criteria to merit a stand a lone page in Wikipedia.