Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 August 22

= August 22 =

02:18:07, 22 August 2019 review of submission by 207.172.201.232
207.172.201.232 (talk) 02:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

It's one of the few legitimate blockchain/smart contract development projects.

05:39:10, 22 August 2019 review of draft by Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill
Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill (talk) 05:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I have edited my draft article by using wikepedia guidelines and given for submission. But no reply after several days. When will my draft be published?

05:40:46, 22 August 2019 review of draft by Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill
When will my draft be published?I have been waiting for several days.

Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill (talk) 05:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Note: The draft was reviewed since the message was posted. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:27, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

07:56:12, 22 August 2019 review of draft by Batasananda
Batasananda (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

10:08:15, 22 August 2019 review of submission by 41.203.73.124
41.203.73.124 (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Balogun Oluwaseyi Temitope (born February 7) better known by his stage name Seyi Ace is a Nigerian rapper, performer and songwriter. Seyi Ace is an Indigene of Ondo State but was raised and lives in Lagos. . He was signed to a Record Label (not mentioned) where he released he’s first few songs like Igboro. . Seyi Ace started commercial music in 2015 and has been releasing different jams ever since. . Seyi Ace has records like Weed and Dow which recorded over 100k streams on spotify. He released Waka On Stage in 2019 featuring Payper Boi produced by Seriki Poly . Seyi Ace has left he’s former Record Label and is currently with AMG (Ace Music Gang) where he released Record Label featuring Oladips and Davolee which was produced by Seriki Poly. . Seyi Ace has performed in different stages and shut down shows across Nigeria. He has performed alongside DMW signee Idowest and many others.

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He was on University tour with Cowbell and performed to thousands of people at the Cowbell show. He performed at Obafemi Awolowo University and many others. . Some of the artists he has worked with includes Magneto, Oladips, Davolee, Seriki Poly, Paper Boi and many others. Unreleased records are yet to be produced too.

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INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT OF SEYI ACE instagram.com/seyiace

https://usquotidian.com/2019/08/20/biography-of-seyi-ace-music-and-career/

13:00:16, 22 August 2019 review of draft by ASD0202
I want to know that should I submit this draft? Whether it will be published or required more content and references?

ASD0202 (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The threshold for notability is having sources to satisfy specific criteria. Considering there are a lot of links in the article and it would take a full review, can you show us 3 sources that are 1) independent (not written by the subject or affiliated with them, no interviews), 2) in-depth (no passing mentions, brief notes, no related topics, no profiles or directory entries) and 3) reliable (published in reputable sources such as books, news outlets, no blogs or content farms, etc.)? — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Request on 18:23:31, 22 August 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by ShahSherinRenishbhai
My article is rejected in review stating there there is a lack of additional references and reliable secondary sources in the article. However, there are no more reliable sources that can be added to state the authenticity of the article. The information is acquired by primary research about the person on whom the article is! Also the relative links available online are also added in the references list. So, I seek guidance of what to do next to get my article published.

ShahSherinRenishbhai (talk) 18:23, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * - some individuals (and subjects in general) just may not have enough secondary sources (yet) to demonstrate notability and warrant a wikipedia article. As an encyclopedia we aren't based off primary sources except for basic descriptive facets like demonstrating names etc Nosebagbear (talk) 18:34, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Requesting Re-review
I submitted a page on my employer at Draft:OANDA that was rejected by for being “contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia” and because it “ Breaks Terms of Use.”

This feedback is confusing because I was transparent about my affiliation with OANDA and thought submitting company pages was allowed.

I was really hoping someone could give me honest, independent, objective feedback on whether OANDA qualifies for a page under the notability criteria based on the four citations provide.

AnnaBittner (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Previous post: WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk/Archives/2019_August_15. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 19:50, 22 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't see a reject-worthy foul here. Disclosures have been made, the draft has been improved, reliable sources are cited. ~Kvng (talk) 22:35, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You have a director of marketing writing the article and then when it is rejected the marketing manager comes in adn makes a requests for a re-review. Three seperate people examined it and found it would likly fail NCORP. It is run of the mill brochure article that is here to advertise their business and all the coverage is press releases and blogs. Of the four refs there 1 is about an individual, 1 is name drop, 1 is promotional adverting and the other one is searching for another ceo. A very poor Wikipedia article. Is there not a rereview page?  scope_creep Talk  00:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * OK but there is a plausible case for notability here and we don't forbid COI contributions if properly disclosed which they now are. The stated reasons for reject don't hold water for me. I can understand rejecting a crappy draft if no improvements were being made with each submission but it has been improved considerably based on feedback from reviewers. ~Kvng (talk) 03:19, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi I have moved this Draft:OANDA request to Re-review message from AfC talk page to AfC help desk. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * If the disclosures are now made, there doesn't seem to be a ToS/PAIDCOI breach. The USA Today source is fine, the Globe and Mail fails SigCov on OANDA itself. FinanceFeeds doesn't look independent. I couldn't make a clear decision on Finance Magnates. If it is judged independent then it would, just, meet the minimum requirements for WP:NCORP. I had a look for additional sources and found squat worthwhile, so it's somewhat contingent on that in my view. Thoughts? Nosebagbear (talk) 11:15, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think Finance Magnates is sufficient; it's not in-depth because it focuses on a single event even if the company is the context. Even if we consider it solely about the company, it's very brief. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:08, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

and I suspect Nosebagbear may have crossed some wires in which source he was referring to for each comment:


 * FinanceMagnets fails SigCov (not Globe and Mail)


 * Globe and Mail is fine (mentions OANDA almost 40 times)


 * FinanceFeeds is the source whose independence would establish notability when combined with Globe and Mail

Do I have that right Nosebagbear? I don't mean to put words in your mouth - figured there was a mixup of which sources you were referring to. AnnaBittner (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * - I was being somewhat confusing. I did actually feel it was financemagnates that was the possible, but on re-reading I agree with Hellknowz that it's not sufficiently about the company itself. I would say financefeeds list of involved CEOs (though not OANDA) makes it non-independent, but if someone can dispute that it would be sufficient. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:44, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

My sourcing findings were similar. Borderline. We're basically having an AfD discussion here which means this subject does not clearly fail WP:NCORP. A (brave) reviewer could not be legitimately faulted for accepting. ~Kvng (talk) 14:49, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * +1, indeed, I remember a discussion early in my AfC reviewing days as to what probability everyone was using as their passmark "80% change of passing AfD" etc. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:57, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Regarding the involved CEOs you mentioned for FinanceFeeds, they are all listed under "Contributing Editors". The article in question is written by "a professional journalist ... with 23 years of industry experience in the high technology sector" who works for the publication. OANDA has no connection to FinanceFeeds; in fact, they recently wrote a piece about OANDA that was fairly negative in tone. Not trying to be pushy or anything but seemed like relevant context. AnnaBittner (talk) 17:18, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You do seem to be pushy as that is twice now you have mentioned it. Most of the coverage is run of the mill from the Globe and Mail and that is only newspaper that is covering it in depth. The rest are blogs, MarketPulse for e.g. and since this is deemed an Afd discussion even though its not, it wouldn't pass WP:SIGCOV, never mind WP:NCORP. There is no coverage for it and what is there is the usual run of the mill business news, I couldn't identify a single decent secondary source or WP:THREE secondary sources.   scope_creep Talk  18:25, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

based on the discussion here, would you object to us converting your reject to a decline? ~Kvng (talk) 14:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Despite edit comments, it looks like this was not rejected after all - declined. Authors are able to improve and resubmit the draft for additional review. I hope honors our informal AfC policy and allows any resubmission to be worked by a different reviewer. ~Kvng (talk) 14:58, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes of course I would object. How bad does an article need to to be before you reject it. It was rejected not declined.  scope_creep Talk  16:40, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I personally find rejection unnecessary. I did not support adding it as a reviewer option. ~Kvng (talk) 17:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)