Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 August 9

= August 9 =

02:08:37, 9 August 2019 review of submission by Lexa.Dixon
Unsure why this is constantly being declined and comments say seems more like a promotional editorial. No one that I have spoken to see's it this way, and they see this page written up like any other artist (ie Villainy, Shihad etc)

Lexa.Dixon (talk) 02:08, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * - content such as "Lead vocalist Rory McDonald injects spit and grit on the track, with a vocal quality invoking the energy of artists including Mike Patton and Marilyn Manson, the latter being an inspiration for the band’s name. Channelling emotion into the lyrics, ultimately matching the rage and passion of the music, is an element of Lucifer Gunne’s flourishing artistry that has attracted many fans - ‘Energenetic’ is a perfect example of this talent operating at full pelt.[10] " and an "interesting facts/tours" section that includes likes on facebook et al, don't indicate a neutral writing of an article. Encyclopedic tone also means being in the 3rd person and not breaking the 4th wall Nosebagbear (talk) 09:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

12:10:19, 9 August 2019 review of draft by IntPolNerd
I think my submission has been rejected out of hand. I was referred to the page on Hate Crime. Identity-based violence includes instances of violence that aren't illegal - in many jurisdictions, there is no hate crime law. And yet, violence on the basis of identity still occurs. Hate crime therefore doesn't capture identity-based violence.

Identity-based violence also covers rather broader issues than hate crime. Almost no-one would describe a genocide as a hate crime - it's something rather different. I'm happy to have a longer conversation about this with someone if necessary.

IntPolNerd (talk) 12:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Articles have to show independent sources that talk about the subject of the article, in this case the concept of "identity-based violence". All sources except one do not have "identity-based violence" as the subject, but rather a broader or tangential topics and only mention this concept without much detail. We need sources that talk specifically about the term, its meaning, its use, etc. The one source that does talk about it is arguably not independent -- it is an organization directly involved with the issues and thus is a primary source. Wikipedia requires secondary sources that are independent of the subject and only report on it rather than speak "on behalf of it", for the lack of better wording. We also cannot aggregate different sources and group them under a subject, because that would be synthesis of material improper for Wikipedia. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:37, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

13:24:12, 9 August 2019 review of submission by 202.51.76.37
202.51.76.37 (talk) 13:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Articles require multiple independent in-depth sources about the subject. There are no sources like this about the subject in the article. Sources cannot be related to the subject, like their company. They also have to be in-depth, so no business listings and profiles. It does not look like this company has been covered by any sources to this extent, thus it is (currently) not suitable for Wikipedia. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 14:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

14:04:42, 9 August 2019 review of submission by 103.227.96.32
103.227.96.32 (talk) 14:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

14:47:46, 9 August 2019 review of draft by Mldickens
I'd like guidance on what citations I may add, and/or formatting changes I could make to give me a higher likelihood of having my entry published to Wiki.

I plan on removing all of my external links (except for our official website address in our infobox). I just wanted to make sure I'm doing my due diligence prior to resubmitting for review.

I appreciate any insight and/or guidance you can provide.

Thanks,

Mike D. Mldickens (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi you can begin by following the advice the first reviewer posted to the page, I see you have not yet responded to the review. It includes links to various pages of advice and instructions. if you get stuck with something you know where to find us again. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2019 (UTC)