Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 February 1

= February 1 =

02:44:27, 1 February 2019 review of draft by Robertprescott
The "Nominations" Section keeps grouping together for some reason. Can you please let me know how to fix this issue? It looks fine in the coding before I Publish.

Robert 02:44, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - looks like you've fixed it on your own - congrats, I still don't like adding multiple tables! Nosebagbear (talk) 08:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

03:09:29, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Aaron Justin Giebel
check it out Aaron Justin Giebel (talk) 03:09, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * n.b. to other reviewers - this is post the MfD discussion - it probably is worth examining the close (if only to determine exact reasoning), beyond just encouraging a re-submit. As I was involved in the MfD I don't feel I should do it Nosebagbear (talk) 08:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * A small amount of information isn't really a decline rationale. Looks notable enough for me, so I've promoted and cleaned.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

04:38:40, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Fackingcat
I have added much more citation to the page to increase the credibility. Thanks Fackingcat (talk) 04:38, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - thanks for adding the sourcing. You've resubmitted so it will be reviewed again in time. Nosebagbear (talk) 08:32, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

05:10:20, 1 February 2019 review of submission by 118.179.42.54
Can you tell me, why this page cannot be added to Wikipedia? Here is the quick url: https://www.google.com/search?q=towaha 118.179.42.54 (talk) 05:10, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - just showing up on google doesn't prove notability. You've got lots of references but they're functionally all unreliable. Like Wikipedia itself, wikias can't be reliable. Neither can blogs, linkedIn etc. The original decline notice (the lower red box) has blue links setting our the four things you need your sources to be - Secondary, reliable, independent with Significant Coverage. Click through them and get an idea of various issues. Look for sources (especially reviews) in newspapers etc Nosebagbear (talk) 08:35, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

06:58:04, 1 February 2019 review of draft by Livinginthepink
Livinginthepink (talk) 06:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

The Wiki page in question was approved and about 2 months later someone came through and did an AFD. He won the top musical band competitions in the Military that was covered by Stars and Strips in Germany that is a verifiable source. Looking to see what else is needed to get the page approved again. Livinginthepink (talk) 06:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, The result of the AfD is delete - see here Articles for deletion/Kevin Wendell Jones and its reasons and believe subject fails musician notability requirements.  CASSIOPEIA(talk) 07:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

08:04:30, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Sami Ullah Jutt
Sami Ullah Jutt (talk) 08:04, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - This draft, which is being used as a resume, is currently facing deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Sami Ullah Nosebagbear (talk)

09:17:48, 1 February 2019 review of submission by NOTNWiki
Please i have been informed this article didn't meet certain standard. How can i right this wrong. NOTNWiki (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

- The reviewer commented on not having enough inline citations for a Biography of a living person. You have done so in certain parts, but not later in the article. You also need to remove the external links in the body of the article.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

10:18:18, 1 February 2019 review of submission by 124.253.98.65
124.253.98.65 (talk) 10:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * - Hi there. Unfortunately the decline and then rejection notice (along with the comments) explain why this was not suitable for acceptance.


 * It lacks suitable sources needed to pass musician notability requirements. This is usually done with multiple reviews of their music, but there are a few other possible methods you can read about. Any of the sources you use for this need to be "In-depth, secondary, reliable, independent" - none of these 4/5 conditions are met with the current sources. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

10:37:17, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Woywodt
Woywodt (talk) 10:37, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

can I ask for advice on why this was rejected and what I need to do to get it accepted? kind regards Alex Woywodt
 * The article currently only has one source. Wikipedia articles must, generally speaking, demonstrate notability which is evidenced by significant coverage. To your question "what I need to do to get it accepted" - the most likely thing is add more sources that would demonstrate significant coverage of the subject. Chetsford (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

10:39:14, 1 February 2019 review of submission by KatieGPO
Hi, Can you please tell me why our subject topic can't be approved on Wikipedia?

KatieGPO (talk) 10:39, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Please clarify what you mean by "our". The policy on Wikipedia is "one user—one account". Usernames should not be shared by multiple individuals.


 * Your choice of username suggests you have a connection to Grange Park Opera (GPO), a sister concern of Pimlico Opera. Depending on the nature of that connection, you may have a conflict of interest when writing about Pimlico Opera. Editing with a conflict of interest is strongly discouraged. If you do so anyway, be transparent about it.


 * Creating a new encyclopedia article is one of the most difficult, time consuming, and frustrating endeavors a novice Wikipedian can attempt. Given that you have been unable to bring the draft into an acceptable state despite advice from five different reviewers, you don't appear to be prepared for the task. See WP:BFAQ for alternatives.


 * I agree with Chetsford's rejection comment that, "it's clear this is going nowhere", at least under the hand of the original author. However, searches turn up ample independent, reliable sources containing in-depth coverage of the organization's activities (some of which I've added to a "further reading" section). The topic meets WP:GNG and WP:NONPROFIT; Wikipedia should have an article about it. If no one has time to rewrite it, what do you think of stubbing the draft and kicking it into mainspace for independent development? --Worldbruce (talk) 16:46, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Stub it and promote. If the topic is a good topic it should be in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 17:36, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As I have always understood the AfC reviewing instructions, we have to evaluate the article based on what is presented (unlike AfD where a BEFORE is expected prior to nomination or !voting). However, I have full faith in Worldbruce and Legacypac's good judgment and no objection to the proposed solution. Chetsford (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * As I have always understood the AfC reviewing instructions, we have to evaluate the article based on what is presented (unlike AfD where a BEFORE is expected prior to nomination or !voting). However, I have full faith in Worldbruce and Legacypac's good judgment and no objection to the proposed solution. Chetsford (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Your understanding is correct for declines. If we are going to reject than I think a before search may be a good idea. I don't find this page very promotional or problematic as it is. Legacypac (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * It looks significantly improved since I last reviewed, although still needs improvement happy with it being accepted. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

12:02:49, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Nirupammathur
I've been waiting for a reply since I've resubmitted my draft for a review again. I'm looking forward for any corrections, if needed. So kindly look into the matter soon. Nirupammathur (talk) 12:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * It has been deleted twice now as spam/advertising. Legacypac (talk) 17:35, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

19:47:04, 1 February 2019 review of submission by Lepeterson23
I am hoping for more clarification on why the sources I selected were not appropriate. Are there just sections of the content that aren't passing the criteria (and if they are removed or revised it will pass) or is it the full thing? My sources include articles in newspapers and magazines where Build & Imagine is the focus of the analysis. I'd love guidance on how to improve. thanks!

Lepeterson23 (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Lepeterson23 - I didn't check each of them, however, on a cursory review I note a few issues: sources like Kickstarter, QVC and Crunchbase are considered user-generated or in other ways WP:INDEPENDENT of the subject; press releases, likewise, are not really usable (except occasionally to source uncontroversial facts). (Also, just a friendly reminder to make a WP:COI disclosure, if required!) Chetsford (talk) 20:23, 1 February 2019 (UTC)


 * User:Lepeterson23 - Your draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, and is about what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what others have written about the company.  Many of the sources that you have listed restate what the company says about itself.  The issue is not so much one of verifiability as of corporate notability.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

22:02:39, 1 February 2019 review of submission by CacHA
There is currently a Norwegian Wikipedia entry about Christoph Cox. It seems to me there should be an English-language entry. CacHA (talk) 22:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * CacHA - while it may be true that there should be an English-language entry for Christoph Cox, our WP:BLPSOURCES policy has a brightline requirement that articles on living persons have sources of some type. The draft, in its current form, has none aside from external links in the body of the article which would likely be removed, leaving it prone to WP:PROD. Chetsford (talk) 23:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

23:55:08, 1 February 2019 review of submission by John West (X)
John West (X) (talk) 23:55, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

This Article is about the American Actor & Ex Pro Football Player John West (X)

John West (born June 16, 1970 is an American film and television actor. Also an Ex Professional football player. West is best known for his role as Ray Ray in the hip hop comedy Bar-BE-Q and as the famous baliff on the hit tv show Martin in the 1997, . West's other films & tv shows include, Southland , Faster , New York Undercover , Waist Deep , Empire , Music & Murder , The P.A.C.K. John West(X) Born John West Jr. June 16, 1970 Chicago , Illinois, U.S. Other names John West John West (X) John West Jr. Occupation Actor Producer Director Ex Pro Football Player Net worth US$2 million (2018) Children 1 Bianca West daughter https://i.ibb.co/nCCkB1R/Bad1.jpg Early life John West was born in Chicago, Illinois, to Marsha and John West. West is the only child. Convinced by his mother Marsha, John decided to play high school football after being a huge fan of NFL Chicago Bears Walter Payton. After showcasing his football talent, John began to get offers from various colleges around the country. After taking an offer from a small college in Alabama West shined as a cornerback. John impressed many pro football scouts during his college football career. West was timed in the 40yd at 4.23. West attended Paul Robeson High School in Chicago and graduating in 1988.

Career John West starred as a Running Back Robeson High School in Chicago and graduated in 1988 and attended a small college in Alabama. In college West was converted to cornerback by the head coach Ray Green. College coach Ray Green noticed West speed and hitting skills. After West had made an impact on college level, West was signed as a Free Agent with the NFL L.A. Raiders. West later kept his career going as he joined the World Football League of American Football 1995 by getting drafted by the London Monarchs. From the WLAF, West starred with the Canadian Football League fall 1995. Then West was lured by the Arena Football League in 1996, Then back to the NFL where West retired early. Then Martin Lawrence's brother Robert Lawrence and Martin Lawrence gave West a break on the hit tv show Martin. Following appearances in such television series as Martin 1997 and New York Undercover 1997, West was cast in the movie The P.A.C.K as the famous Coroner, which he got rave reviews. West decided to step out on his own as a 1st time film producer and director after watching other film directors behind the camera. West walked out on faith and funded his 1st major film entitled Bar-Be-Q. Bar-Be-Q was filmed in 1999 and distributed in 2000 in select theaters around the USA, by John West himself. West was turned down by several film distribution companies and was focus on getting the film out on his own. This film was the 1st ever on screen movie for Omari Hardwick, who is known as Ghost on the hit TV Show Power on the Starz Network. It is also the 1st ever film for Steve Howse aka Layzie Bone of Bone Thugs N Harmony as well. After John's success of his 1st ever film, John was offered a role as a Gangster's sidekick in the blockbuster film Waist Deep. Which also starred Larenz Tate & The Game & Tyrese Gibson. West soon caught the eye of Eddie Murphy, which landed him a role as a bully in Norbit. As well playing a small role in Faster with mega star The Rock, where West played a prison Inmate. Moving forward West landed roles on such TV Shows as Southland where he played Officer Moore. West did not stop there where he was casted as a Rapper on the hit tv show Empire. https://i.ibb.co/vh8tJps/Bad21.jpg

Filmography Main article: John West Filmography Films Year Title Role 1996 Martin (Season 5 Episode 6) Ref 1997 Martin (Season 5, Episode 15) Baliff 1997 New York Undercover (Season 3 , Episode 23) Tim 1997 The P.A.C.K Coroner 1997 Ravage Sergeant Armstrong 1998 Why Do Fools Fall in Love Drug Dealer 2000 Bar-B-Q Ray-Ray/Food Line Man/Ugly Man 2003 The Watermelon Heist Judge's Father 2006 Shadow: Dead Riot Riot Inmate 2006 Waist Deep Gangster #2 2007 Norbit Bully 2010 Faster Inmate 2011 Southland (Season 3 , Episode 7) Officer Moore 2011 Southland (Season 3 , Episode 6) Officer Moore 2019 Chicago Englewood. John-West Docu-Film John West 2019 $.M.O.K.E 2019 A Sista's Revenge 2019 My Chick 2019 Twisted Luv 2020 War of the Dragon Benny 2020 My Baby Missin(The Atlanta Children Murders) 2021 Same Story-Different Faces Television Year Title Role 1996 Martin Ref (Bangin Hard in the School Yard) 1997 Martin Baliff (Power to the People's Court) 1997 New York Undercover Tim (No Place Like Hell) 2002 A Haunting in Connecticut Thomas 2011 Southland Officer Moore (Sideways) 2011 Southland Officer Moore (Cop or Not) 2013 Luther DSU Simon 2015 Empire Rapper (The Outspoken King) 2017 Music & Murder Agent Baxter (Strange Day) External links John West (X) on IMDB https://i.ibb.co/SVwfMhY/aaachitown.jpg Trivia 1st Person to ever take a film & distributed it in select theaters around the U.S. & Over seas without major distribution. (BAR-BE-Q) 2000. Also making deals with pay-per-view. Bar-be-q comedy film is listed in the museum at University of Indiana Black Film Collection. John was very close to Afeni Shakur(Died 2016) Mother of Rap Super Star Tupac Shakur[6] John West birthday and Tupac Shakur birthday are both on June 16. The only difference is that John's year of birth is 1970 and Tupac's year of birth is 1971 .https://ibb.co/WzVnr3D Website.John West (X) (talk) 18:08, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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 * Please stop posting copies of Draft:John West (Actor) in various places. It does not help you and is disruptive. If you have a question, state it with a link to the draft, not a copy.


 * Based on the available information, West is not notable (not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia). The relevant notability guidelines are WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:NACTOR, WP:CREATIVE, and WP:GNG. Although signed to various teams, he never ended up on their regular season playing rosters. Although he has appeared in notable films and television shows, his roles in them have been minor, not significant ones.


 * If you add citations to multiple, independent, reliable sources, containing significant coverage of West, then his notability can be re-evaluated. Otherwise, you may wish to explore alternative outlets for your work, ones that have different inclusion criteria, such as FamilySearch. --Worldbruce (talk) 06:29, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

23:59:50, 1 February 2019 review of submission by 108.231.202.181
What can I do to get this page published? 108.231.202.181 (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
 * There is nothing you can do to get the page accepted here, because the subject is not notable. As her career progresses, she may become notable, but now it is WP:TOOSOON. --Worldbruce (talk) 01:22, 2 February 2019 (UTC)