Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 January 31

= January 31 =

01:18:27, 31 January 2019 review of submission by Esswar123
Esswar123 (talk) 01:18, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Request on 05:52:28, 31 January 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Teamsgnr123
Teamsgnr123 (talk) 05:52, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * - Hi there. I've rechecked it and I agree with the reviewer - Wikipedia, google & ImDB are a combination of unreliable/Original research. Of the other two sources, there just isn't enough in-depth coverage. Telentrack may also be unreliable. Have a read of Musician notability to see what has to be reached. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

07:05:34, 31 January 2019 review of submission by 2405:204:B38F:F471:0:0:16AF:58B0
2405:204:B38F:F471:0:0:16AF:58B0 (talk) 07:05, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * - Hi there. Unfortunately the original reviewer was correct, there just isn't any high quality sourcing at all, and musician notability requires multiple high quality sources. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

09:49:22, 31 January 2019 review of submission by 103.21.76.38
103.21.76.38 (talk) 09:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Thalapathy 63 is an upcoming tamil film starring Thalapathy Vijay, Nayanthar and directed by Atlee Kumar.


 * - Hi there. The key bit is "upcoming" - Wikipedia doesn't like future articles on unpredictable things - this film has only just begun its principal photography - anything could happen! Critically, because it hasn't been made yet, it's very difficult to pass film notability as it usually requires multiple reviews, which obviously can't be written till the film is finished.


 * Please stop re-submitting the film until it has been finished. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:53, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/Thalapathy 63. See also notability for future films.  Future films are almost never notable before they start photography, and are only notable when they are in photography if something is notable about the photography itself. User:Athu1, User:103.21.76.38, and others have been very aggressively trying to use Wikipedia to promote the plans for this film.  One draft has been rejected and one article went to a deletion discussion and was deleted.  Any further efforts to use Wikipedia to promote this film before it satisfies film notability may result in more deletions or in blocks.  Robert McClenon (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

12:22:32, 31 January 2019 review of submission by Gemma9673
I submitted a revised version of this draft over 1 month ago but I have not heard anything back yet. Is this normal? Gemma9673 (talk) 12:22, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You haven't actually submitted it for review, but I can tell you now it will likely be declined, because it reads like an advert and has no independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 12:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

13:29:41, 31 January 2019 review of submission by Darkfires007
Hi There,

Thanks for your efforts and time in reviewing and providing direction and information. I was hoping you could provide a bit more insight about the notability of several similar pages and help identify the differences missing for the page I'm submitting.

Such pages already published which have similar levels of notability:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiteGround https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlowHost

I do appreciate any feedback you can give. Thank you very much.

Darkfires007 (talk) 13:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi . Although it is natural to learn by example, it is safer to work from the official guidelines, in this case Notability (organizations and companies). Wikipedia is forever a work in progress. It contains high quality articles and poor quality articles. The existence of articles that do not meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines does not mean they are welcome here. It may simply mean that no one has gotten around to deleting them yet. They are not a good excuse to create more such articles. The essay WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS may help you understand why. If you wish to learn from example articles, be sure to use only Wikipedia's best. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:12, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

16:32:42, 31 January 2019 review of submission by John West (X)
John West (X) (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

This Article is about the American Actor & Ex Pro Football Player John West aka John West Jr

Born John West June 16, 1970 is an American film and television actor. Also an Ex Professional football player. West is best known for his role as Ray Ray in the hip hop comedy Bar-BE-Q and as the famous baliff on the hit tv show Martin in the 1997,. West's other films & tv shows include, Southland , Faster , New York Undercover , Waist Deep , Empire , Music & Murder, The P.A.C.K. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_West_aka_John_West_Jr_on_set.jpg

John West

Born John West Jr. June 16, 1970 Chicago, Illinois, U.S. Other names John West; Johnny West; John West Jr.; John J West Occupation Actor Producer Director  Ex Pro Football Player

Children 1 Bianca West daughter

Early life John West (Johnny West; John West Jr.; John J West) was born in Chicago, Illinois, to Marsha and John West. West is the only child. Convinced by his mother Marsha, John decided to play high school football after being a huge fan of NFL Chicago Bears Walter Payton. After showcasing his football talent, John began to get offers from various colleges around the country. After taking an offer from a small college in Alabama West shined as a cornerback. West attended Paul Robeson High School in Chicago and graduating in 1988.

Career John West (Johnny West; John West Jr.; John J West) starred as a Running Back Robeson High School in Chicago and graduated in 1988 and attended a small college in Alabama. In college West was converted to cornerback by the head coach Ray Green. College coach Ray Green noticed West speed and hitting skills. After West had made an impact on college level, West was signed as a Free Agent with the NFL L.A. Raiders. West later kept his career going as he joined the World Football League of American Football 1995 by getting drafted by the London Monarchs. From the WLAF, West starred with the Canadian Football League fall 1995. Then West was lured by the Arena Football League in 1996, Then back to the NFL where West retired early. Then Martin Lawrence's brother Robert Lawrence and Martin Lawrence gave West a break on the hit tv show Martin. Following appearances in such television series as Martin 1997 and New York Undercover 1997, West was cast in the movie The P.A.C.K as the famous Coroner, which he got rave reviews. West decided to step out on his own as a 1st time film producer and director after watching other film directors behind the camera. West walked out on faith and funded his 1st major film entitled Bar-Be-Q. Bar-Be-Q was filmed in 1999 and distributed in 2000 in select theaters around the USA, by John West himself. West was turned down by several film distribution companies and was focus on getting the film out on his own. This film was the 1st ever on screen movie for Omari Hardwick, who is known as Ghost on the hit TV Show Power on the Starz Network. It is also the 1st ever film for Steve Howse aka Layzie Bone of Bone Thugs N Harmony as well. After John's success of his 1st ever film, John was offered a role as a Gangster's sidekick in the blockbuster film Waist Deep. Which also starred Larenz Tate & The Game & Tyrese Gibson. West soon caught the eye of Eddie Murphy, which landed him a role as a bully in Norbit. As well playing a small role in Faster with mega star The Rock, where West played a prison Inmate. Moving forward West landed roles on such TV Shows as Southland where he played Officer Moore. West did not stop there where he was casted as a Rapper on the hit tv show Empire. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_West_(X)_%26_Tichina_Arnold_%26_Thomas_Ford_on_hit_T.V._Martin_1997.jpg

Filmography Main article: John West Filmography Films Year  Title                          Role 1997  The P.A.C.K                    Coroner 1997  Ravage                         Sergeant Armstrong 1998  Why Do Fools Fall in Love      Drug Dealer 2000  Bar-B-Q                        Ray-Ray/Food Line Man/Ugly Man 2003  The Watermelon Heist           Judge's Father 2006  Shadow:Dead Riot               Riot Inmate 2006  Waist Deep                     Gangster #2 2007  Norbit                         Bully 2010  Faster                         Inmate 2019  Chicago Englewood.John-West Film 2019  $.M.O.K.E 2019   A Sista's Revenge 2019  My Chick 2019  Twisted Luv 2020  War of the Dragon               Benny 2020  My Baby Missin(The Atlanta Children Murders) 2021  Same Story-Different Faces Television Year  Title                          Role 1996  Martin                         Ref (Bangin Hard in the School Yard) 1997  Martin                         Baliff (Power to the People's Court) 1997  New York Undercover            Tim (No Place Like Hell) 2002  A Haunting in Connecticut      Thomas 2011  Southland                      Officer Moore (Sideways) 2011  Southland                      Officer Moore (Cop or Not) 2013  Luther                         DSU Simon 2015  Empire                         Rapper (The Outspoken King) 2017  Music & Murder                 Agent Baxter (Strange Day)                   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_West_aka_John_West_Jr.jpg

External links

Trivia 1st Person to ever take a film & distributed it in select theaters  around the U.S. & Over seas  without major distribution. (BAR-BE-Q) 2000. Also making deals with pay-per-view. Bar-be-q comedy  film is listed in the museum at  University of Indiana Black Film Collection. John was very close to Afeni Shakur(Died 2016) Mother of Rap Super Star Tupac Shakur[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_West_aka_John_West_jr_%26_Omari_Hardwick_in_Bar-Be-_Q_Film.jpg  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:John_West_aka_John_West_Jr._%26_Afeni_Shakur_Rip)_Tupac%27s_Mom.jpg

Website


 * - Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia. Creating articles is extremely tough. I would suggest reading Referencing for beginners, practising in a few articles before even considering returning to your draft. There are currently several reasons this draft was rejected, and many of them are to do with sourcing issues Nosebagbear (talk) 20:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

20:54:13, 31 January 2019 review of submission by Alphaprime47
Alphaprime47 (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

This was my first page i will try to make up to Wikipedia standards, will edict the article and will change the undesirable parts.

22:44:24, 31 January 2019 review of draft by Alphaten
I am uncertain as to whether I am permitted (as an autoconfirmed user with over 400 edits) to move a completed draft into mainspace on my own initiative. Alphaten (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Alphaten (talk) 22:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * - yes, any auto-confirmed user can create an article by moving it to mainspace. While you'll be able to find it internally immediately, it will have to go through the New Page Patrol before being indexed and generally visible online. This will probably take a bit longer since AfC-passed articles generally tick all the boxes quite cleanly. However, if you're concerned that the AfC queue will make a delay you'd rather avoid and confident the article is fine, you can move it. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the fast reply Nosebagbear. I am confident the Erdödy draft now meets all requirements, while being in no special hurry to see it published. It's simply that publishing it in mainspace might stop me from obsessively polishing it, as I seem to have spent the last 5 days doing... Alphaten (talk) 00:02, 1 February 2019 (UTC)