Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk/Archives/2019 March 1

= March 1 =

01:14:28, 1 March 2019 review of draft by WRain
Hi, so I have referenced a (promotional) concert poster on a draft that I have sourced from a fansite. Is this acceptable practice? And if it is, then how should it be referenced? WRain (talk) 01:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . It is permissible to cite ephemera such as a concert poster. You can use the cite web template for one that is online. A fan site is not an ideal source. Editors are likely to be concerned about: whether the content is submitted by users, the site's editorial oversight, and whether they have a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. A better source would be an archive at a university, museum, or historical society, something run by librarians or curators.


 * You can ask for advice about a source at the Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Opinions there will depend on what article text you want to support with the poster. They may point out that a concert poster only shows a scheduled event, not that the event took place as planned. They're likely to say that there must be a more reliable source than a fan site, such as a newspaper article or even a newspaper advertisement. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Request on 01:24:14, 1 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by TAHayward
I re edited this article to comply with Music Notability guidelines. I used reliable secondary sources to show source of information about the subject. I corrected the tone of the writing to reflect neutrality. I was advised by the last editor who worked with me on the article of these changes. They replied that if I found a source which reviewed the Netflix Gypsy soundtrack he would mainspace the article. I communicated with them in the talk space. I have carefully attributed all knowledge to reliable secondary sources as you can see in the draft article. I would like to have this article moved to Wikipedia. Is this something that I do or does an editor in the community do that? I researched the subject extensively also reviewing journalist podcasts interviewing him in New York. I believe that I meet all of the Music Notability guidelines - all information is sources, Oli Chang is the subject of multiple, non trivial published works, such as newspaper articles, online print media, podcasts, subject has received coverage of live performance, subject is also published in previous music group High Highs on Wikipedia, has released two or more albums, subject has worked with well known artists e.g.: Nomi Ruiz, has performed music for Netflix Gypsy TV series, has been placed in rotation of JJJ national Australian radio. Please advise me whether the article can be published after this writing and editing? TAHayward (talk) 01:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The draft is in the pool to be reviewed. If a reviewer accepts it, it will be published as an article. There are still problems with the draft, which I have detailed there. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:24, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

02:01:53, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Meta in MA
I've spent a lot of thoughtful time rewriting this article with some support from from reviewers who have now left Wikipedia. While I'm waiting for review, I thought I'd ask someone to give me some tips on how to improve it so that when it does get reviewed, it might stand a better chance of getting accepted.

Note that I'd like to document the entire New Age music genre, but I'm hesitant to write anymore because I've had such a problem getting this article accepted. If someone could give me tips on this article, I might write a few more while I'm waiting for this to get reviewed.

All-in-all, the process has been frustrating since the reviewers have left Wikipedia and so much time has lapsed, but I remain positive and hopeful that I can actually get into the flow of contributing.

Meta in MA (talk) 02:01, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

02:11:53, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Bryanlim.sdp
Hi, I am Bryan Lim Boon Heng- the Wikipedia subject himself. I understood from my colleague, Clarence that the first draft has been rejected. I have removed the "non-neutral bits" but I don't know what else is required. I am not a techie person so I will really appreciate if your technical team can guide me through on how to get this Wikipedia page up & running as the General Elections in Singapore are expected to be called at the end of this year.

Bryanlim.sdp (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Greetings. See below (also click on the blue highlighted text in the grey pane and the comments in the draft page and below for details info)
 * conflict of interst As Clarence is the colleague of the subject, this means they have COI and  a paid editor (PAID). Wikipedia discourage editor with COI to write about the subject as it is difficult to write the article in neutral point of view (NPOV). I just have a quick read, the article still not free of NPOV.  Clarence needs to declare his COI in (1) the article talk page and (2) in Clarence user page. Pls follow the instruction to disclose PAID as posted in Clarence'stalk page. (re-read the instruction as disclosure  tag is done incorrectly).
 * WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY - Wikipedia strong discourage Byran Lim to edit his own article in Wikipedia and would request other editors to edit the affected page.
 * WP:NPOV neutral point of view - pls note at the content should be written in plain, fact format and content should support by independent, reliable sources and avoid writing the article like an essay after all this is an article.
 * WP:PROMOTION - Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion where by political candidate could use Wikipedia as a channel where info of the subject would be found An article is accepted only if the subject is notable - see WP:NPOL (notability for politician) and the significant coverage of independent, reliable sources (such as from major newspapers) is written about the subject in length and in depth and not only passing mentioned. Note sources can be in any languages.
 * Examples - check out Hina Rabbani Khar and Newt Gingrich on how a good article looks like. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:47, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

02:59:06, 1 March 2019 review of submission by Adkbay
I guess at this point I don't understand how this entry is not "notable." While ResetEra was formed as a splinter site from NeoGAF after the scandal that happened there, NeoGAF has dropped in prominence by damn near 100%, to the point where game developers and journalists are now congregating on ResetEra rather than the forum that started all of this, NeoGAF. It's been this way for over a year, yet NeoGAF still maintains a Wikipedia entry because there was a scandal that makes it more "notable." ResetEra, at least according to Alexa rankings, hovers around the 3K mark (global), while NeoGAF has fallen all the way down to the 14K mark. The articles cited in the Wiki entry show that the site is used as a source in many gaming publications. If they are not "notable" publications, then why do they have Wikipedia entries?

Let me clear something up. I do not work for ResetEra. I am not receiving any payment from ResetEra. I do have an account as a user on the site, but that only allows me to post and nothing else. I am quite sure that Nintendo fans and the like are free to edit the page for Nintendo, as an example. I saw that the original entry was removed and attempted to improve it, and yet the run-around for fixing this article is the most ridiculous thing I've seen in my lifetime, even while in academia.

If there is something SPECIFIC that I need to add here to make it "notable," please let me know, because I have yet to see any feedback that actually gives information on what "notability" entails for something such as this, in the gaming space, where you do not tend to have academic journals or news broadcasts discussing the topic. If that is the metric for "notability," then I believe you have a much larger decision regarding anything gaming-related on Wikipedia to discuss.

I ask you to reconsider this decision. Thank you. Adkbay (talk) 02:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Greetings. Reviewers have left messages on the draft page, all you have to do is to click on the blue highlighted texts and they will bring you to anther page where details info could be found. see here Articles for deletion/ResetEra and []. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:22, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

03:04:49, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Zuvaruvi
I've started a new article, Webeaucracy, have posted about as much as I dare without input. References need to be cleaned up and I lack sufficient expertise. Additionally, I am the author of the original work Webeaucracy: The Collaborative Revolution and want to ensure I have as much oversight on this as possible before it is accepted for publication on Wikipedia.

Thanks!

Zuvaruvi (talk) 03:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Zuvaruvi (talk) 03:04, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

04:31:33, 1 March 2019 review of submission by Azzata,G
I have received multiple rejections because of reference. Those references are the only reliable references. Since Mongolian companies are yet to well known to worldwide business market. Could you please help me to solve this reference problem. Your help is greatly appreciated! Thank you.

Azzata,G (talk) 04:31, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The reference problem is insurmountable. The reason you give, that Mongolian companies are not well known worldwide, is the reason that Wikipedia should not have an article about this company. Wikipedia articles only cover notable topics—those that have gained significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time. Write about something else, or try an alternative outlet with different inclusion criteria. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Request on 10:30:50, 1 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Annahua
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Hi everyone, this is my first time asking for help so pardon the lack of protocol. I have been working on an article to help improve one of Taiwan's famous architects visibility. We are a small island but I think this architect deserves a little recognition. He has won quite a few awards the past few years so I believe he passes the notability test. That being said, I am at a loss for how to pass the approval process. I have made changes as they were said by reviewers but the most recent suggestion of removing "peacock" language is lost on me. I read through the article once more and it is my belief that there is no more peacock language. Secondly that this does read like an encyclopedia. I remember reading Britannica back in the day and while I am not 100% encyclopedic. I think I am pretty close. Any help would be much appreciated.

Annahua (talk) 10:30, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

10:47:13, 1 March 2019 review of submission by Floyd1965
Hello,

Upon the initial decline of the draft, I sought help at the ‘live help’ channel and the helper who reviewed had commented on the feedback accordingly. Apparently, only inline citations were missing, which I had appropriately incorporated. The resubmission of the draft has been pending for nearly 7 weeks. Request you to please consider and suggest further course of action. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Floyd1965 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The draft is in the pool to be reviewed. The current backlog is 8 weeks, so you shouldn't have too long to wait. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

11:32:30, 1 March 2019 review of submission by Whenow
Whenow (talk) 11:32, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

12:50:29, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Kh.brian.min
Hello! I thought I made a new article called Kim Ransa on English Wikipedia, but then I realized it was on Korean Wikipedia. I now created a new one in English Wikipedia and I am waiting for it to go under review. I am now wondering what I should do with article (that is written in English) on Korean Wikipedia. Could I go ahead and delete that one since I didn't mean to put it on Korean Wikipedia? If so, how should I go about it?

Thank you, and I would greatly appreciate your assistance. Have a fantastic day!

Brian

Kh.brian.min (talk) 12:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, that is out of our jurisdiction. I did some digging and found ko:틀:삭제_제안, which is essentially the Korea Wikipedia's articles for deletion template. If you explain your error (in Korean, of course) in the right parameter and put the template at the top of ko:Kim Ransa, you should be all set.  JTP (talk • contribs) 16:50, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

12:58:17, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Vovagig
Vovagig (talk) 12:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I fixed references, pleas review it is there any other issues that should be fixed.

Thank you
 * You might want to check with WP:MMA for additional sources and stylization.  JTP (talk • contribs) 16:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

16:58:30, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Ian.Kirkland76
Please tell me why the references to The List of Presidents of the Institution of Structural Engineers is not reliable. It is the definitive source surely - since they elect the Presidents in the first place? Ian.Kirkland76 (talk) 16:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Ian.Kirkland76 (talk) 16:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . The key point lies in the reviewer's comment, rather than in the boilerplate language in the big pink box. It isn't a question of reliability. The only source that talks about the list members as a group is the institution of which they were the presidents. So it will be difficult to convince reviewers that the draft passes WP:LISTN and should be a stand alone list.


 * A better approach would be to embed the list in Institution of Structural Engineers. Few images are available, so omit that column. The image of the first president could illustrate the "History" section. If you can come up with a caption's worth of information about Blockley, that image could illustrate the new "List of presidents" section. Be judicious about linking. Don't link unless there's a reasonable expectation that an article can be written. A table is overkill, make them simple list entries. If you feel sortability is so essential that a table is necessary, then sort names more sensibly. --Worldbruce (talk) 18:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

17:28:18, 1 March 2019 review of draft by Mayuribn
Mayuribn (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

22:15:38, 1 March 2019 review of draft by 7urlu7u7u
7urlu7u7u (talk) 22:15, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

I made this draft (Draft:Herve_Tullet) today from a page in french Hervé Tullet. I did not use the translation tool offered by wikipedia because I couldn't make it work... But I'd still would love to liink this page to its french "big sister". How could I do that? Should I just wait until it is not a draft anymore?

TY
 * Thank you for your contribution. It has been accepted and linked via wikidata to the French article. Remember, because of your conflict of interest, not to edit the article directly. Instead, propose on Talk:Hervé Tullet any changes you believe should be made. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

22:19:08, 1 March 2019 review of submission by Jhamalhodari
Jhamalhodari (talk) 22:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC)